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Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by MrDOS »

adastra22 wrote: post #197
samtheprogram wrote: post #155

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Even before the M1, you paid a small (IMO) premium for better build quality, a great trackpad and (before the butterfly) keyboard, a solid Unix with really great tailored applications, etc… With the M1 dominance (and inflation) there’s basically no premium at this point (although there is little to no low-end options).

If only the MacBook Air was user upgradable like the old 2017 models. There’d be little reason to buy anything else.

There's a reason the RAM is soldered on: https://twitter.com/marcan42/status/1460108068637712384.

SSD is very annoying, though.

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Post by ulkesh »

happymellon wrote: post #336
Kwpolska wrote: post #298

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Unless your stack involves 5-10 JVM apps (with the smallest ones generally working at -Xmx512m but some expecting around 2-4 GiB), and your IDE is also a resource-hungry Java app, in which case the bare minimum is 32 GiB RAM + about 10 GiB of swap.

True, if you are trying to emulate an entire cluster of servers on your laptop you are in for a bad time.

I’ve done that! But I also have 32GB RAM in my machine :)

I want 64 GB but I will say for my current needs, 32 GB is the sweet spot. My normal daily use is around 20GB. And it is a MacBook Pro. One day I’ll probably go back to a laptop running Linux. It is the fastest for code compilation in my experience.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by usr1106 »

mindcrime wrote: post #337
usr1106 wrote: post #326

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If you ruin the planet it's not your private business anymore.

Sounds like a bit of a stretch. By this line of reasoning, it's not "your private business" that you breathe, since you are consuming oxygen and emitting carbon dioxide with every breath.

That's why uncontrolled population growth is not considered a sustainable pattern. But granting those who are already born the right to breathe few would dispute.

However, those consuming more resources than the share the planet has to offer for everyone are just denying others an equally good life. Either now or in a future generation. https://www.overshootday.org/

Rather useless growth of computer performance might not be the worst problem. But it's easy to address. I can tell you that working with an old 2 GB computer is no problem at all for many tasks with just a bit of thinking. (For sure there are tasks that require more memory. I also use such machines, but not all the time.)

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by hardwaresofton »

Shared404 wrote: post #114
hardwaresofton wrote: post #89

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Definitely. Imagine a world where perennially late to the market HP is chasing the trend of Linux on the laptop. We now live in that world. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31391880

Turns out the fabled year was 202X all along. I'll admit, I'm delighted to see HP announce this, if only because it means System76 will (probably) get more funding for Pop_OS and that this may "legitimize" the Linux Desktop more with three major manufacturers carrying supported options.

Late but absolutely agreed. I fun an Oryx Pro and while I don’t use PopOS, all their hard work is on display constantly — their improvements there bleed over to other distros so easily (they’ve struck a great balance between releasing compatible stuff but staying sane and not exponentially increasing their support burden)

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Post by wolverine876 »

itomato wrote: post #338
cstrahan wrote: post #47

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I don’t get why, but it’s not uncommon for people to prefer the aesthetic of the trackpad being centered on the chassis, while being offset relative to the midpoint between the two home rows of the keyboard. Palm rejection nowadays is pretty decent, but still, I’d much rather not have my right palm constantly in contact with the trackpad.

Your hands are offset relative to the screen. My posture follows, and it’s a drag.

Have you given it a try? I used to think that and avoided off-center keyboards, but I ended up with one and it wasn't a problem. YMMV.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by d3nj4l »

dartharva wrote: post #334
d3nj4l wrote: post #315

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Those goalposts sure moved fast!

Really? That reply was as specific to your taunt as it gets.. who's the one moving goalposts here?

"You can't run anything on macs that Apple doesn't want" suddenly turns into "It's a mess to maintain", which is an entirely different thing from literally not being able to run something.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by [deleted] »

spuz wrote: post #71
smoldesu wrote: post #16

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Inverted-T is a good layout for the most part, but I think IBM/Lenovo have suckered me into their 3x2 arrow cluster. Having pgup and pgdown so close to a single hand really helps me fly through docs and PDFs.

What is the IBM/Lenovo layout for their arrow keys?

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Post by panda88888 »

rychco wrote: post #28
prescriptivist wrote: post #13

Looking at the keyboard layout makes me wonder. How many devs here actually use the right shift key and/or the right modifier keys? I've been programming for 20 years (15 or so using emacs) and I exclusively use the left shift and left modifiers. I probably have never used the (physically) right shift/modifier keys on the keyboard I'm currently typing on that I've had for 2 years. I loathe the four left modifier key…

I regularly swap between left and right shift depending on which opposite side of the keyboard the key I need to modify is (does that make sense?). However, I strictly use left ctrl (replacing left caps-lock) and left alt.

I also remapped the enter key to act as ctrl if pressed with another key to get symmetry with caps lock key.
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