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You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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Post by dan-robertson »

ehsankia wrote: post #124
vlunkr wrote: post #65

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Or alternatively, they know they are eating too much, but simply don't have the will power to quit. I'm no food expert, but to me it looks like any other addiction. They rely on food emotionally, so when they are ashamed or depressed that they aren't losing weight, they turn to food, which continues the addiction cycle.

We have literally evolved to overeat. And one thing people don't consider is that genetics does play a real role. Just because it's easy for you to not overeat as much doesn't mean it's the same for others. I personally believe the solution will ultimately have to come from science/technology. We need a safe and efficient appetite reducer that people can take regularly.

Populations with similar wealth and food abundance and genetics (eg developed countries in Europe/ North America with USA being an outlier in wealth) have quite different rates of obesity so I don’t really think this explanation is sufficient.

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Post by [deleted] »

wincent wrote: post #229
csours wrote: post #73

I weigh 350 pounds. I'm very obese. I know this. When I was a teenager, I looked at people who weighed 300+ pounds and though, how do you get that way. Don't you realize that you are gaining weight? Don't you know that you just have to eat less to lose weight? Anyway, now I realize that I am hungry. It never goes away unless I eat a significant amount of food. My body told me to eat, so I ate. It doesn't even take th…

> Maybe it's Ok to be a little hungry. This is the key. On evolutionary time scales, human beings have only very recently come to inhabit a world where regularly being able to eat to full satiation (and beyond) is commonplace. Being "a little hungry" is actually the typical condition under which most of our ancestors over many thousands of years have operated. Put an organism evolved to survive amid scarcity in an en…

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Post by SnowHill9902 »

vidarh wrote: post #66
SnowHill9902 wrote: post #41

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Doesn’t work that way. Your basal metabolic rate is also increased. Squat and deadlift at least 3 plates for reps. Walk at least 20k per week. You’d have to force-feed yourself to get fat.

That's just nonsense. Been there and more, and trivially easily added fat.

It’s true that 3 plates is not a lot. I guess it depends on each one’s metabolism and age.

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Post by bruce343434 »

lordnacho wrote: post #271
kaibee wrote: post #242

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> Have you thought about eating something that just has very few calories, in order to fill you up? Carrots have barely any calories and need a fair bit of chewing. In my experience, this works kinda ok, but it doesn't actually feel like being full or sated. It feels like having a full stomach but still being hungry.

Isn't the feeling of having a full stomach what people normally mean by being full? I've never thought you could feel full bit hungry. The other side of that is you can feel like you need to eat despite not actually feeling hungry. I've lost a bit recently, but not often with that hole in the stomach feeling. I still often get that "I should eat something" feeling while not feeling the physical "belly empty".

(Not GP) Apples make me hungry. No seriously. There's no fruit quite like apples that make my stomach sour for more food. It almost hurts. I can eat 4 apples and I'll be _stuffed_ but not _satiated_.

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Post by netizen-936824 »

msrenee wrote: post #291
mathverse wrote: post #254

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Have you tried protein heavy diet? Just try drinking protein whey protein powder drinks the whole day for a week and see what it does to you. I dont have a problem with losing weight but It's incredibly difficult and annoying to get lean and burn fat while building muscles. I literally cant force myself to eat more if I try to do at least 200g protein every day. 2xmozarella light (42g protein), 2x66 protein drinks (1…

It completely depends on your lean weight, but 200g of protein is very high for most people who aren't athletes. I'm not in a state to work out whether the normal chorus saying that much protein will damage your kidneys is true or if I've just heard it enough times that it sounds true. Here's a publication that looks informative, but I haven't worked all the way through it and it may or may not support my presumption…

I am not a physician. You don't need to worry about protein intake damaging kidneys unless you have preexisting kidney problems.

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Post by zemvpferreira »

msrenee wrote: post #291
mathverse wrote: post #254

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Have you tried protein heavy diet? Just try drinking protein whey protein powder drinks the whole day for a week and see what it does to you. I dont have a problem with losing weight but It's incredibly difficult and annoying to get lean and burn fat while building muscles. I literally cant force myself to eat more if I try to do at least 200g protein every day. 2xmozarella light (42g protein), 2x66 protein drinks (1…

It completely depends on your lean weight, but 200g of protein is very high for most people who aren't athletes. I'm not in a state to work out whether the normal chorus saying that much protein will damage your kidneys is true or if I've just heard it enough times that it sounds true. Here's a publication that looks informative, but I haven't worked all the way through it and it may or may not support my presumption…

Not to defend (or bash) the proposed extreme diet but as far as we know your kidneys will be fine handling pretty much any amount of protein you can consume unless you have kidney disease. Most of it will end up being converted to glucose via gluconeogenesis. Said diet is certainly better for you than 30 years of fast food, as evidenced by the complete lack of protein-caused-disease in medical case studies opposed to... the obesity epidemic?

Don't worry about hypothetical lions around the bend when you're sprinting away from an angry tiger.

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Post by npinsker »

lovich wrote: post #335
daenz wrote: post #158

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Thanks for sharing. Here's my perspective as a lean person who has no problems literally starving themselves to do other things. It does indeed sound like your hunger is more intense than my hunger. I think I benefit from a ton of experience in transitioning past "I'm very hungry" to "I'm fine" when I choose not to eat. There's a clear point (for me) when the body just says "oh we're not going to eat now? ok, I'll st…

I have the exact same experience with hunger. I’m only “hungry” for 10-15ish minutes max before the feeling disappears and the next time I eat is also to stave off the physical weakness. I put “hungry” in quotes because what my overweight friends describe as feeling hungry I have only felt under the influence of marijuana, and what I describe as hungry is what they feel like all day other than right after a meal. I h…

I've been on both ends of this. I was lean throughout college, gradually gained some weight after starting at Google and after a few years I was having trouble functioning after not having eaten for a while. I got some blood work done and everything was normal.

For me personally, I think it was completely driven by my mind. I was stressed while there and became further stressed when my willpower inevitably lost to my biology. Consistent, hard cardio; lowering my stress levels; and (most importantly) acknowledging and accepting that I don't have perfect control over the outcome were key to fixing it.

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Post by winrid »

wheels wrote: post #338
winrid wrote: post #266

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Interesting. Well, more importantly to me the crash is almost nonexistant compared to the creamer. There might be a quantity difference, too.

That's almost certainly psychosomatic. The sugars in the two are basically identical, and the creamer presumably has some fat in it, which would actually make it have a lower glycemic index (meaning the crash would be slower with the creamer). This is mostly what the article calls the "halo effect". People assume that "natural" things are lower calorie or healthier, which is sometimes the case, but fructose is fructo…

Haha, no. It's not psychosomatic.

It's most likely portion difference plus all the other crap in the highly processed creamer.

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Post by lr4444lr »

yakak wrote: post #192
mpalczewski wrote: post #151

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Obesity started to be a thing in the last 100 years. It wasn't evolution.

There's a phenomenon that many island populations have abnormally high levels of morbid obesity. This comes from the huge advantage of having any genetic disposition to better store more fat/energy in a situation where more can not readily be obtained by increased hunting range, etc.

Which? The only case I heard of was the archipelago in thr pacific where the lands and water were so polluted from colonial agriculture that they couldn't eat their ancestral foods, and had to rely heavily on imports of canned and prepared foods.

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Post by legerdemain »

CuriousSkeptic wrote: post #235
csours wrote: post #73

I weigh 350 pounds. I'm very obese. I know this. When I was a teenager, I looked at people who weighed 300+ pounds and though, how do you get that way. Don't you realize that you are gaining weight? Don't you know that you just have to eat less to lose weight? Anyway, now I realize that I am hungry. It never goes away unless I eat a significant amount of food. My body told me to eat, so I ate. It doesn't even take th…

WHO recently released a report on obesity in europe[1] Stressing, among other things, that obesity is a chronic disease starting very early in life, indeed even before conception, and cannot be treated as an individual failing. They also point out that health professionals should focus not on weight loss, but on life long prevention of comorbidities. To which end various treatment options are available. Weight loss m…

  > obesity is a chronic disease starting very early in life, indeed even before conception
I'm very curious about your thoughts on life before conception. Does the unborn infant soul inhere in the egg? And if it does, are you suggesting that some people are conceived with fat souls?
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