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San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for no lights on

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Re: San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for no lights on

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There are a lot of things concerning about these cars driving themselves around the city -- most of which are typically covered in these comment threads -- but here are a few questions that seem relevant to this particular incident: How are police officers trained to deal with these machines? Hopefully its more than "call this number"; are Cruise support lines required by law to be open when their cars are on the str…

I think they all still have test drivers in them right?

Re: San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for no lights on

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Being used to riding motorcycles in the US, why are headlights not always on for all vehicles at this point? LED bulbs last a very long time and there is little reason to not have them on during the day. I know, it’s much more fun to anthropomorphize the car in this case, but the simple solution is to just hard wire them.

> why are headlights not always on for all vehicles at this point

It's been that way for over 30 years in Canada (since 1989 I think)...

I'd be curious to know how many more replacement headlights they see per car per year

Re: San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for no lights on

#343

There are a lot of things concerning about these cars driving themselves around the city -- most of which are typically covered in these comment threads -- but here are a few questions that seem relevant to this particular incident: How are police officers trained to deal with these machines? Hopefully its more than "call this number"; are Cruise support lines required by law to be open when their cars are on the str…

They do outreach programs for local police and fire departments on first responder training and have published relevant materials.

Waymo: https://waymo.com/firstresponders/

Cruise: https://www.getcruise.com/firstresponders

Re: San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for no lights on

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've seen plenty of those videos, and 9 times out of 10 if you're able to find the whole, unedited version of the video the officers actions suddenly seems much more reasonable. Not always, admittedly, but very often.

With that many examples, it should be simple to post just one example to make your point. But unsubstantiated contrarianism typically does not contribute to a conversation.

No one else provided examples nor asked for any. Perhaps you should ask for examples instead of assuming I'm acting out of malice. Here's a link to the full video for probably the most widely recognized case in the history of police brutality, the killing of George Floyd.

Does the context this video provides make the officers actions okay? No, I don't think so. Does it make those actions appear much, much more reasonable than it was made out to be on social media? Absolutely.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjKjaCvXdf4

Re: San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for no lights on

#345

Being used to riding motorcycles in the US, why are headlights not always on for all vehicles at this point? LED bulbs last a very long time and there is little reason to not have them on during the day. I know, it’s much more fun to anthropomorphize the car in this case, but the simple solution is to just hard wire them.

Mechanics need to be able to turn them off when they work on them or they’ll get blinded. Every car I’ve driven in the last 10 years seems to have an auto mode though. I’d be surprised if the Chevy’s these are based on don’t have an auto mode. It could be that a fuse blew here.

I have been working on my vehicles for a while. Removing the fuse or unplugging the lights is stupid easy.

Re: San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for no lights on

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My recollection of learning to drive many years ago was that I took driver's ed, drive my parents around a bit, but then didn't drive much/own a car until after grad school. And therefore, didn't really have much driving experience until later. (And didn't really learn to drive a stick until many years later when I bought a car with one.) I guess I'm skeptical that having some more classroom time and a more rigorous…

I think the tests are just the colors under which bureaucratic red tape just happens to sail. Anything that creates barriers to entry will result in people being older before they get their licenses and that is where the bulk of the benefit comes from.

Is there any evidence that young drivers are dangerous due to age rather than inexperience?

Re: San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for no lights on

#347

Being used to riding motorcycles in the US, why are headlights not always on for all vehicles at this point? LED bulbs last a very long time and there is little reason to not have them on during the day. I know, it’s much more fun to anthropomorphize the car in this case, but the simple solution is to just hard wire them.

> LED bulbs last a very long time LEDs are a high-end feature even in new cars, never mind all the existing cars on the road.

$20 bulbs are widely available on Amazon.

Re: San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for no lights on

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Alright, but 25mph is still significantly faster than walking speed. I do think that mass transportation would be nice and we could use a better public trans infra in the US, but that doesn't make the fact that waking is still much less efficient that driving. Even with cars taking up much more space, a bunch of cars traveling at 25 mph are able to carry a many more people through a distance X in a period of time T t…

LOL, cars don't go anywhere near 25mph in Boston. They'll average 15mph, if they're lucky. Even with ~70% of the right of way allocated to cars, there's still too many of them for the road to handle. I don't know what "efficiency" you think cars have over other modes but I'm not seeing it on my commute. More often than not, my bike is stuck behind cars (because the bike lane disappeared) rather than they're stuck beh…

15mph is still faster than walking speed. I'm not saying cars are the most optimally efficient mode of transportation, just that they are much more efficient that walking.

Re: San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for no lights on

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Neither aircraft nor drug development norms look anything like the norms of software development. I actually find a substantial difference in my trust level between a traditional car company that's building self-driving capabilities (e.g. Mercedes) than a company that fashions itself as a software company that happens to build cars (e.g. Tesla) for exactly the reason of the norms and behaviors that each org would enc…

Didn't aircraft development norms lead to several planes plunging out of the sky with zero mechanical issues, due to software failure?

It's actually _failure to follow aircraft development norms_ that lead to the crash of multiple 737-Max

Re: San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for no lights on

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I am really worried by the fact that I am the unwilling tester in the Great Driverless Car Experiment. Tradition has it that when you load-test a new bridge, you put the architect underneath. I feel like this, except I didn't design those driverless cars, somebody else did. Being an experienced software engineer, my trust in the software in these cars is pretty low. And yet they are testing them on me, because I can…

Maybe now is the time to start raising the bar on human and upcoming automated drivers. Both could have to pass a driving test that includes challenging, difficult situations. Day, night, rain, snow, fog, heavy traffic, missing lane lines, simulated pedestrians (including small children) leaping out between parked cars, and more. For further difficulty, both kinds of drivers could have to pass this within a x% margin…

I suspect that a challenging driver assessment between AVs and humans would be the most rapid driver of AVs possible... Just remember: Most drivers think they're above average.

Curiously, autonomous car technology also makes it feasible for us to rate drivers -- it's like having a professional watching over your shoulder all the time. IIRC, Tesla used something similar to determine rollout of new FSD capabilities.

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