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Re: Germany has seized control of Gazprom Germania

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Post by petre »

mhermher wrote: post #335
throwaway5752 wrote: post #254

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Let's be fair: this was a massive, strategic aim of the Russian state. Germany didn't randomly fall into this situation, there has been decades of influence, bribery, and espionage in Germany to develop that dependency. Kids may need to be reminded that Germany has only been reunified for 32 years and Berlin was divided from the USSR controlled East Germany by a physical wall. Russia is is so motivated to expand its…

There is no need for influence, bribery, or espionage. It was simply the cheapest, most reliable source of energy. Russian gas "won" on the market. Regardless of what route Germany takes from here, it's almost certain they'll be paying more in energy costs.

Yes, if you rule out nuclear, than Russian gas was maybe the cheapest. Energiewende fail. They are so addicted to it that they even wanted to brand natural gas as a non greenhouse energy source. This was a central point of German decarbonization prior to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. And the culprits are mainly the OPEC lobby and the Greens. With 70% electricity generated from nuclear, France does not have this problem. It's one of the things that de Gaulle got right. The others were vive la republique and fight the enemy at all costs instead of making concessions and armistices.

Re: Germany has seized control of Gazprom Germania

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Post by fsflover »

pphysch wrote: post #324
throwaway5752 wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's be fair: this was a massive, strategic aim of the Russian state. Germany didn't randomly fall into this situation, there has been decades of influence, bribery, and espionage in Germany to develop that dependency. Kids may need to be reminded that Germany has only been reunified for 32 years and Berlin was divided from the USSR controlled East Germany by a physical wall. Russia is is so motivated to expand its…

Suppose everyone was simple and conspiracies didn't exist. Where might Germany get its fossil fuels? Perhaps shipped across the entire Atlantic Ocean? Perhaps from Mars? Or perhaps from the major producer on its same continent? The bottom line is that European integration is a natural phenomenon. It is natural to have strong economic ties within one's neighborhood. You don't need a decades long conspiracy to explain…

> Where might Germany get its fossil fuels?

How about nuclear?

https://thebreakthrough.org/blog/the-true-face-of-the-anti-n...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26603464

Re: Germany has seized control of Gazprom Germania

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Post by rs999gti »

mhermher wrote: post #335
throwaway5752 wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's be fair: this was a massive, strategic aim of the Russian state. Germany didn't randomly fall into this situation, there has been decades of influence, bribery, and espionage in Germany to develop that dependency. Kids may need to be reminded that Germany has only been reunified for 32 years and Berlin was divided from the USSR controlled East Germany by a physical wall. Russia is is so motivated to expand its…

There is no need for influence, bribery, or espionage. It was simply the cheapest, most reliable source of energy. Russian gas "won" on the market. Regardless of what route Germany takes from here, it's almost certain they'll be paying more in energy costs.

> It was simply the cheapest, most reliable source of energy.

What about the nuclear reactors that DE chose to shut down for Russian natural gas?

Re: Germany has seized control of Gazprom Germania

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Post by fsflover »

archerx wrote: post #51
recuter wrote: post #39

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Yeah, they got top minds on this. Top. Minds. Nuclear canceled by the Green Party and pre-March went all in on Russian oil and gas.

Sometimes I wonder if the Greens are actually funded by petrol companies because everything they do seems to benefit them in the end. In Switzerland the Greens are trying to be as dumb as the German ones.

https://thebreakthrough.org/blog/the-true-face-of-the-anti-n...

Re: Germany has seized control of Gazprom Germania

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Post by LatteLazy »

lobochrome wrote: post #110

They sold the company to new owners on Friday who then tried to liquidate it. Gazprom Germania is the counterpart to Gas dealers and utilities. It then has an intra-company agreement with Gazprom Russia. If they had liquidated, those contracts would have been gone and the Gas dealers & utilities would have had to renegotiate new contracts with Gazprom Russia. This would have allowed them to require payments in Rubles…

Given the collapse(-ing) value of the Ruble, why would they want that?

Re: Germany has seized control of Gazprom Germania

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Post by Karunamon »

BenjiWiebe wrote: post #224
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #90

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Sure, not looking exactly like the menu/ads is one thing, that's just marketing for you, but being served a patty in a bare bread bun, missing the cheese, lettuce and other parts of the product you ordered, is an outright scam in legal terms if we're being pedantic. Sure, I get it, having underpaid and overworked people making your food is not a recipe for a great experience, but ultimately I paid in full, the compan…

I've had a lot of fast food burgers in the US but never have I had a bare patty in a bun, unless I specifically asked for it a time or two as a child.

What likely happened in this case is they gave GP a burger intended for someone who ordered it 'plain'. The slips McDonalds uses to attach special order tags to the sandwich wrappers are prone to falling off or being overlooked.

Re: Germany has seized control of Gazprom Germania

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Post by gamblor956 »

Barrera wrote: post #225

> Russian gas accounted for 55% of Germany's gas imports in 2021 and 40% of its gas imports in the first quarter of 2022, Reuters reported. The country has pledged to end the use of Russian gas by 2024, the Habeck said in a March 25 press release. Some in this thread have asked how Germany could be so foolish to tie its economic destiny to such a problematic country as Russia. The answer seems to be "one step at a ti…

The OP's comment is not grounded in reality.

The U.S. used Chinese factories because they were cheap. Emphasis on "were." Companies have been switching away from China en masse (to India, Vietnam, Thailand, etc.) for at least the past decade because China is no longer the cheap option. Frequently, including shipping costs (even before COVID) it was cheaper to just get stuff made in America if you could find a supplier. Hell, my last 3 years at a firm were devoted almost entirely to helping companies restructure their international operations out of China to cheaper countries.

The U.S. won't take serious action against China because China took Russia's place as the global counterweight to the U.S. But it has absolutely nothing to do with China's so-called economic leverage, because China doesn't have any over the U.S. anymore.

Re: Germany has seized control of Gazprom Germania

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Post by pvaldes »

piokoch wrote: post #101
pjc50 wrote: post #60

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> Nuclear canceled by the Green Party .. after Fukushima. Trading one tail risk for another. (Germany has oddly lagged in deploying renewables, though. Possibly due to lack of offshore sites, meaning that wind farms have to be deployed against the efforts of NIMBYs)

"After Fukushima" is the funniest part of this. Baltic and North seas are well known from their gigantic tsunami waves.

If you think that tsunamis are funny you will love the concept of melting ice in the arctic messing with all the sea currents. That would be hilarious (except for the humans, of course).

Re: Germany has seized control of Gazprom Germania

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Post by type0 »

rs999gti wrote: post #343
mhermher wrote: post #335

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no need for influence, bribery, or espionage. It was simply the cheapest, most reliable source of energy. Russian gas "won" on the market. Regardless of what route Germany takes from here, it's almost certain they'll be paying more in energy costs.

> It was simply the cheapest, most reliable source of energy. What about the nuclear reactors that DE chose to shut down for Russian natural gas?

You can thank huge Russia funded "green" movement for that

Re: Germany has seized control of Gazprom Germania

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Post by petre »

timeon wrote: post #321
randomopining wrote: post #284

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Yeah I don't see how she made any strategic decisions that set up the long term success for Germany and EU. She's remembered bigly internationally for letting all the migrants in.

Bordering countries like Italy and Greece were becoming overwhelmed by migration wave. They were crying for help for quite some time til anyone even noticed the problem. So to ease the pressure there was plan to redistribute them in to EU. This was refused by several countries so 'Merkel' took some of them to Germany. It was not ideal but better then nothing. That crisis was caused by instability in Middle East. Whic…

She should have thrown money and equipment at the problem like the US does. That works most of the time. When it doesn't, let French diplomacy handle it. Or even better, just do both at the same time. Italy and Greece, just take this money and patrol ships and do coastal patrol. Hungary, just take this money and build a barbed wire fence, if you think it works. Border states were guarding the Schengen Area dreamland. Instead they paid Turkey tribute to allow it to blackmail and took the migrants in, assingned quotas which made everyone unhappy about it.
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