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Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Yes. All of those are products or services, and therefore should be allowed to advertise.

Okay, and they're all political, depending on who you ask. What type of political ad do you want to see banned, which isn't a product or service?

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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All of those things but also, supporting Russia's invasion of Ukraine is internally consistent with their views on Taiwan. They cannot denounce Russian aggression on Ukraine but still openly claim Taiwan.

Wrong. China already said what they think: every country's sovereignity must be respected, and they hope the conflict in Ukraine will be resolved quickly... however, Taiwan is a domestic issue for China alone to worry about and other countries should stay out of it.

You have to love that line of thinking. Everyone gets self determination except for those guys because la la la we can't hear you they aren't a real country.

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Not as a whatabout but a question: Has Taiwan recognized China as a sovereign nation? Or is do they consider it Occupied Western Republic of China?

Taiwan is complicated. Taiwan, the island, was once a part of territory claimed by Imperial China. Eventually, Taiwan was given to Japan in some war back in the day. Right before WWII, civil war broke out. The Chinese Communist party wanted to overthrow the ROC and reform the government in their image. Then WWII happened and they agreed to pause the civil war to deal with the Japanese coming in from East. WWII ended…

One thing to add, Taiwan formally gave up its claims to the mainland some time ago. While the One China policy still has some popularity there, it seems that the idea of Taiwan as a separate nation and people is growing day by day.

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Majorities of the population of both Taiwan and China both see the issue in a more nuanced manner than what you laid out here. You can go on and deride people who disagree with you as deluded here, but that’s projection on your part.

Of course the situation is nuanced. But we're here to discuss territorial wars of aggression. Not to write a book on ages old cultural interactions. Taiwan and China are both separate sovereign states defacto. They have functioning governments and standing militaries. Any meaningful discussion about the issue has to start from there. Pretending the RoC military doesn't exist just because a bunch of people on the main…

China and Taiwan are separate states de facto, but at no point in their modern history has either outright rejected the one China policy.

One can’t talk about the main political fault line inside of Taiwan as if it’s a settled matter.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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We can close the door on free speech now that we have the numbers.

Free speech does not mean anyone should offer a megaphone to some private entity (especially non-individual ones). It's up to Twitter and Facebook to decide if they want such messages amplified on their platform and to earn money for that. Or we can make these platform utilities but then, we could also make ads illegal in public spaces (I can speak freely when I take the subway, but I'm not allowed to yell advertisem…

> Free speech does not mean ...

Just be honest and admit that you are pro-censorship in this particular case.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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> And most people still to this day think either China miscalculated it, or China's official stance is somewhat unclear. ( Paul Graham ) I was actually surprised China didn’t vote against the UN Resolution by the Generally Assembly condemning Russia’s violation of the UN Charter by the use of force and violation of Ukraine’s territorial integrity. Though China was 1 of 35 Countries to abstain on the vote, the fact th…

>However, it is very difficult to discern whether China miscalculated the response of the international community or they simply played Russia by riding both sides of the fence until push came to shove. These arent the only two choices, this binary approach is more reflective of your limited thinking than reality. Abstaining from votes that can't be won speaks volumes. Why take a position when not taking one is just…

> Abstaining from votes that can't be won speaks volumes.

The UN General Assembly Resolution condemning Russia overwhelmingly passed.

The UN Security Council Resolution on the other hand never had a chance of passing, but the international community still went forward with the vote they didn’t collectively “fold” knowing no matter what it wouldn’t pass.

In either case a member of the UN abstaining from a vote is not the same as folding in poker, it’s not about winning or losing as shown by the willingness to submit a Resolution for vote by the Security Council, because its about standing in the international community, where abstaining on a vote is itself a political statement not a “fold” that will hide their hand.

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Well, to be fair if you remove restrictions then it is the Western version of events that will rules as they have the established platforms and money to spread info. To see their power look at the French poll of who won them the World War. It became 20% in the recent decades from 57% for Russia https://www.france24.com/en/20190601-who-won-wwii-russias-ro...

The idea that the Soviet Union won WWII is itself propaganda and ignores the contributions of many, many nations, not to mention the entire Pacific war. Also, the liberation of France was exclusively the western allies.

For the most part I agree but the Soviets were integral. Without the Eastern front taking up so much of the enemy resources, the Western front would have been very different.

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While the poster you are responding to seems to be a mythical creature, this is very strange gatekeeping. Hacker news has never been a purely technical forum, given the business, marketing etc side of startup culture. This intermixes with legislation, geopolitics and many other topics. All these have a legitimate place here.

To dismiss views of people with no strong tech background as not able to "filter their thoughts" or that they come here to "talk to smarter people" is rather ridiculous. You will find lawyers, linguists, public servants, medical professionals, tax advisors, HR people, ... here. Why would their analysis be less valid than yours just because you happen to have a CS or engineering degree? Who is the most rational and "smart" for you? Applied mathematics? Logicians? Philosophers specialized in philosophy of science?

Assuming other people are less smart than oneself and that one's own expertise implies superior knowledge/analysis in unrelated fields is by the way a key sign of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Eh. Aren't we the part of the world that supports free speech? Let them say what they want.

Free Speech for individuals does not mean that we have an interest in allowing foreign and potentially hostile actors to run propaganda campaigns using the ad targeting machine we have built using social media. They can say what they want and every citizen can do so as well, but we should not allow asymmetric amplification.

This is exactly how China is justifying their censorship.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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The propaganda is also very strong on Chinese social media (especially Wechat). I leave in France and I know a few Chinese person that keep telling me that this war was mainly caused by USA, that the Ukraine president is a dictator and so on...

It is overly simplification. I think the sentiment in China is really not about supporting Russia; it is about anti-US. Because quite a lot of people in China think US is organizing an Eastern NATO, to "destabilize" the whole region. For example, the nuclear-powered marine deal with Australia, etc. Biden’s first year was much harsher on China than Russia. In 1999, NATO bombed the Chinese embassy, killing 3, that cert…

> I think the sentiment in China is really not about supporting Russia; it is about anti-US.

Anti-US is a part of it, but from what I know, Chinese people do generally like Russia a lot more than most of the world. I think it’s kind of a culture and history thing, education is likely a big part. Chinese tend to favour Russia by default for many things, even if the US isn’t involved. The US involvement (perceived or not) definitely still contributes a lot to the general sentiment in this particular case, of course.

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