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Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Can you give an example? What's a view that's been eliminated?

What about the very subject of this thread? Not a view worth keeping around?

That's not been eliminated. Quite a few people believe the election was stolen. Also, it's not a view worth keeping around. There's no evidence to support it and it's just used to justify violence and division.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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> There's a huge difference: in Bush v. Gore, Gore stepped aside for the good of the country, choosing to respect the institution of the courts even if the decision was dodgy And why would that be the better way to go about it? Respecting an election you consider stolen that an institution favored to "respect the institution" means you're respecting a faulty institution - and encouraging similar behavior in the futur…

Because that institution then worked another four times without incident. The institution, as flawed as it is, still kept transferring power peacefully. In 2020's case, there was no dodginess, but nevertheless one candidate would rather discredit the institution rather than admit he lost, and -there is nothing to replace it with-. We've had 250 years of peaceful transfers of power because of this system; without a un…

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Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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All of the things you wrote as good things are (mostly) good things, glittering generalities that have no bearing on whether hard times are good or bad. To connect the two, you'd have to complete the scurrilous reference made that we are currently in a time of "weak men". You may or may not be aware that the "Hard times..." meme is widely used among not just stoics, but also fascist groups to suggest that the current…

What's the deal with using guilt by association as a way to disparage or dismiss ideas? Seeing that a lot lately.

The "hard times create..." meme was originally shared by actual ethno-nationalists who have since been banned from most platforms.

I don't know if the person I replied to knows that - I think there are a lot of people who don't. It's worth pointing out though there's a disconnect from the first sentence to the second. Why is it that we have to have hard times for us to be better? Well, the argument from the meme - which many people take seriously even if you or I don't - is that recent times have been easy and this has created weak (and other pejoratively described) men.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Hard times and war change people. Many changes are negative: poorer, less secure, less trusting, more fearful, devastating losses. But other changes are for the better. And you don't need war to make these changes. If you make them before hard times come, you'll be better prepared for them: becoming more stoic (less emotional, less offended at everything), becoming more serious, more resourceful, more self-reliant, l…

All of the things you wrote as good things are (mostly) good things, glittering generalities that have no bearing on whether hard times are good or bad. To connect the two, you'd have to complete the scurrilous reference made that we are currently in a time of "weak men". You may or may not be aware that the "Hard times..." meme is widely used among not just stoics, but also fascist groups to suggest that the current…

We do not live in the time of weak men; we live in a time which has not made men strong in the way other times have. endurance through hardship is what makes strength. Being strong in the way that many hardships make you comes with its own complexity.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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This is what "private companies can do what they like" results in.

They're also doing what their regulators in the House and Senate have demanded they do. The line between a private operator exercising their will, and acting on the will of the government, is very thin and quite blurred.

I think of YouTube (and many others) as akin to state media anymore.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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According to Fiona Hill, we’re already in it. She doesn’t really indicate when we crossed the rubicon, but I guess there doesn’t always have to be a Franz Ferdinand moment? https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/02/28/world-war-...

According to Fiona Hill that is not the definition of a world war. World Wars have been defined by battles in multiples countries and continents. The Syrian civil war was over 15 countries and factions. War in Afghanistan over 5 countries, technically much more. None of these wars were consider WW3, and just because the war between Ukraine and Russia is in Europe doesn’t make it any different.

History of this era will be interesting.

After 9/11 we had the GWoT mainly in the Middle East after the NYC attack. Global War on Terror, in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syrian, Yemen and Africa.

The Eastern European conflicts 2008 Georgia, and the Ukrainian conflict since 2014.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Hillary has been claiming the 2016 election was stolen by Russia for Trump for six years now, and nobody seems to fret about how she’s undermining democracy. There were even many faithless electors that tried to overturn the results. Much like Trump, she just can’t seem to admit she lost. Both parties need to learn that if you lose it’s because you didn’t get enough votes and to reflect on why that is. Although I’m s…

Clinton conceded the day after the election, filed zero law suits contesting it, and told her supporters to accept the outcome. She raised specific complaints regarding the process, but never suggested that they invalidated the results.

She has claimed for 5 years (and still going) that Trump is an illegitimate president. Here is a recent example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSTyHYiLtRY.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Hillary has been claiming the 2016 election was stolen by Russia for Trump for six years now, and nobody seems to fret about how she’s undermining democracy. There were even many faithless electors that tried to overturn the results. Much like Trump, she just can’t seem to admit she lost. Both parties need to learn that if you lose it’s because you didn’t get enough votes and to reflect on why that is. Although I’m s…

Clinton conceded the day after the election, filed zero law suits contesting it, and told her supporters to accept the outcome. She raised specific complaints regarding the process, but never suggested that they invalidated the results.

> She raised specific complaints regarding the process, but never suggested that they invalidated the results.

She proclaims the election was stolen.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clinton-trum...

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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It’s sad that youtube can choose what content to host? It’s sad that not everyone agrees with all the choices they make? Doesn’t seem sad to me. The alternative, where youtube cannot choose what content to host, seems sad to me.

Let be real here. It's very likely the former guy may run again. You may be against that, as would I. But I think its pretty creepy that a handful of large tech CEOs will be able to get together and prevent that from happening by shutting him off from every social media platform and biasing search results, even so far as censoring our private communications via FB messenger, email or similar chat apps. You want to ar…

> get together

That's probably the moment they could face regulation. Individually, it's their platform to choose what they want to host or not.

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