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AIUI, the 160 max only applied below L8.
Nope, L5 here (SDE II) and my base is currently 185. I breached 160 in march of this year. I am confused where the 160 number came in. Maybe Lab126 has different pay bands?
Judging from what an insider in the HR org told me, we're going to be hearing a lot of stories like this going forward. Apparently, Amazon scale is so large and their attrition rates are so bad that in some markets, every potentially qualified candidate has already applied and failed an interview, or previously worked at Amazon and quit. As the adage goes, necessity is the mother of invention and Amazon seems to be a…
If they had too many candidates and not enough positions, it makes sense, but in the opposite scenario you just lose our on candidates that hate those tests.
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You can start imagining though, 350k is ... not that much in high cost area like Bay/NYC/Seattle Especially so if you are single income family.
Median household income in Santa Clara County is $140k. How on earth can you say that $350k is "not that much"?
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Doesn't that kind of depend on having kids or love? There's probably a fair number of people out there skilled enough to do the work that doesn't have those things to distract from having a demanding job. Ultimately it's a decision that you'd have to make depending on what you care about. You could turn your question on it's head; what's the point of having children or a significant other if you are incapable or unwi…
You could turn your question on it's head; what's the point of having children or a significant other if you are incapable or unwilling when you could be making money for the things you do care about in life? That's a good point, actually. Which I will bookmark as the perfect description of the kind of personality profile that is most suited to working at Amazon-- and perhaps the only personality type that can thrive…
I prefer a bit tougher job that means I'll be financially free in 10 years. It also means my wife doesn't have to work and can really focus on raising our children.
I've worked some long days, but not 16hrs. Plus I really dig the projects I'm on.
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This doesn't match my experience. I guess it depends on the role but for engineers it's well known Amazon has been throwing large sign on bonuses to close the vesting gap for years. For instance I received an offer that was 160 base, 325 cash bonus and 5% of my RSUs for my first year, putting my TC at ~510k. Second year was a slightly smaller bonus, and 15% of my RSUs. Is it possible that when folks were voluntarily…
>For instance I received an offer that was 160 base, 325 cash bonus and 5% of my RSUs for my first year, putting my TC at ~510k. Second year was a slightly smaller bonus, and 15% of my RSUs. Jeebus man. What is it that you FAANG developers do that is so much more complex than what regular developers do? For reference: I do Angular and Python development. Is there like some open source project or code samples that giv…
So in a word, Amazon pays L6 engineers to sort out ambiguities and to shepherd teams. This may not be more complex than your work, mind you. It's just Amazon or companies large enough to have a tech ladder value this kind of role.
Will Amazon at any point start considering hiring more engineers from countries that command lesser salaries like Brazil/EU than they do US engineers? Why do US engineers command such higher salaries?
Will Amazon at any point start considering hiring more engineers from countries that command lesser salaries like Brazil/EU than they do US engineers? Why do US engineers command such higher salaries?
European labor laws are a major factor. It's much harder to fire people and a company like Amazon loves to fire people. I imagine Brazil doesn't have enough of a talent pool to draw from.
Not sure why I keep reading this over and over. Yes, it can take up to 6 months to fire somebody here in Europe (usually 1-3 months though). The 6 months is usually for >15 years of uninterrupted work with the same company.
Justifying that "the company cannot easily fire because of labor laws" is just plain wrong.
If the 250k+$ jobs I'm constantly reading about are actually true, it's double the average that I've ever heard about for any type of Senior SW Devs in most competitive / innovative centers in the EU. 350k$ more so. Stocks are not even part of the TC.
In most EU countries, SW Devs make about 50-60k€ as juniors.
To reiterate, the math doesn't add up, so the argument must be talent, not laws.
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Median household income in Santa Clara County is $140k. How on earth can you say that $350k is "not that much"?
I mean the average software engineer salary in the area is like 220k-240k.
Also, I'd be curious to know where you get your numbers from - simply because numbers for total comp (across all companies) seems hard to come by. One can't go by what's posted on levels.fyi of course, because that's skewed heavily towards people who have ... something to brag about.
As a Googler I was approached by Amazon, and when I started to look at the culture, a photo came out with Jeff Bezos using a door because he was too ,,frugal’’ to buy a desk… I would never join an office where people are proud of that.
I think it's well-known that Amazon doesn't provide in-house meals and haircuts and kombucha like many of the SV companies. Personally it's something I appreciate because it makes the area around the office a bit more lively with more foot traffic and private businesses catering to the office workers.
Judging from what an insider in the HR org told me, we're going to be hearing a lot of stories like this going forward. Apparently, Amazon scale is so large and their attrition rates are so bad that in some markets, every potentially qualified candidate has already applied and failed an interview, or previously worked at Amazon and quit. As the adage goes, necessity is the mother of invention and Amazon seems to be a…
I think you are on target. IMO it is an attempt at employee retention as well as attracting new talent. Purely anecdotal on my part, but I've seen post after post on LinkedIn of senior/tenured Amazonians moving on to other roles after five, ten, and even fifteen years. The stock performance has been pretty flat for the last few years, so the TC growth is lagging behind the gains you could get from being a new hire. A…