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Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by s1artibartfast »

SECProto wrote: post #285
blast wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's obviously a peaceful protest*. The word "occupation" here is already spin from the side that wants to shut it down and is trying to build a case for doing so. Peaceful protest involves physically assembling and making noise. That is no doubt unpleasant both for those who disagree with the protestors and those who live in the neighborhood, but the right to do this in public is fundamental and vital in democratic…

A friend was shoved into a snowbank by a protester because she wore a mask. I was verbally assaulted for the same while skating on the canal. They're not peaceful.

I think the real struggle is understanding the degree to which they are peaceful or not. Obviously nothing is black or white.

As an example, I was once shoved by a person. People are not peaceful

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by ratsmack »

defaultname wrote: post #270
Mikeb85 wrote: post #250

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> "Prime Minister has called the protesters racists and misogynists." > He didn't. This is absurd. https://twitter.com/JustinTrudeau/status/1488660359422648320... He did. Also said it a bunch of times in person.

No, he didn't. A unanimous declaration by members of parliament (incredibly rare) denounced events happening in the shroud of the protests. And they are really happening! If someone denounces looting at a BLM protest -- also something that happened -- does that mean every BLM protester is a looter? That is absurd.

Tweeting it out on his personal account condones the thought, which is just like saying it himself.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by defaultname »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #280
defaultname wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, he didn't. A unanimous declaration by members of parliament (incredibly rare) denounced events happening in the shroud of the protests. And they are really happening! If someone denounces looting at a BLM protest -- also something that happened -- does that mean every BLM protester is a looter? That is absurd.

> If someone denounces looting at a BLM protest -- also something that happened -- does that mean every BLM protester is a looter? That is absurd. Of course not. Just like the presence of extremists at a rally doesn't mean everyone's an extremist. If you've followed Trudeau at all through these events, he's constantly painted all protesters as extremists...

The things the PM says "in person" are widely reported on. You alluded to them multiple times in hopes of portraying your claim correct, but the single bit of proof you've provided shows absolutely nothing of the sort.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by PierceJoy »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #322
PierceJoy wrote: post #297

The blatant misinformation is this thread is astounding. If you think this is “just a protest”, you don’t live in Ottawa and have no clue what’s going on If you think vaccines are being forced on anyone, you have no clue what’s going on in Canada. If you think GFM planned to “steal” the money, you clearly have no clue that the organizer’s plan called for excess funds to be given to charities. The comments in this thr…

Define “forced.” Your answer will speak volumes.

Your comment already spoke volumes. Remember when conservatives used to talk about choices having consequences? Funny how they they don’t seem to like that concept when it’s inconvenient for them.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #322
PierceJoy wrote: post #297

The blatant misinformation is this thread is astounding. If you think this is “just a protest”, you don’t live in Ottawa and have no clue what’s going on If you think vaccines are being forced on anyone, you have no clue what’s going on in Canada. If you think GFM planned to “steal” the money, you clearly have no clue that the organizer’s plan called for excess funds to be given to charities. The comments in this thr…

Define “forced.” Your answer will speak volumes.

Okay, you’ve defined forced elsewhere:

“That is not being forced. That is called choice. Choices have consequences.”

That’s literally forced but in an nonviolent matter. Kind of like how people can be correctly be called “forced” to file tax returns in the US.

They are forced, stop playing word games.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by jtbayly »

PierceJoy wrote: post #258
tomohawk wrote: post #235

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I'm glad the governor is looking into this. Undoubtedly there are FL residents who contributed to this worthy cause via GFM, and then to have GFM suddenly say they're going to redirect the funds? Seems like some sort of fraud to offer a service for one thing and then change it after money has changed hands. GFM obviously realized this was a problem, so changed their minds and is providing automatic refunds. But this…

The plan presented to GFM by the organizers called for excess funds to be given to charities. How is it fraud for GFM to follow the organizer’s plan? The only thing they refused to do was fund the illegal occupation of downtown Ottawa.

To equate giving all of the funds to other charities and not allowing any of it to be used for its given purpose with giving the rest of the money after its intended purpose has been met is... well, not right.

Like, consider a non-profit that you want to support its vision. Most of the money goes to its mission, the rest pays its execs. They decide to use 100% of it for the execs. According to your argument, that's just fine.

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Post by pessimizer »

PierceJoy wrote: post #297

The blatant misinformation is this thread is astounding. If you think this is “just a protest”, you don’t live in Ottawa and have no clue what’s going on If you think vaccines are being forced on anyone, you have no clue what’s going on in Canada. If you think GFM planned to “steal” the money, you clearly have no clue that the organizer’s plan called for excess funds to be given to charities. The comments in this thr…

> If you think GFM planned to “steal” the money, you clearly have no clue that the organizer’s plan called for excess funds to be given to charities.

So Gofundme gets to turn all the funds into "excess" funds?

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Post by naasking »

criley2 wrote: post #183
alea_iacta_est wrote: post #142

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Are you sure you are on the right side of the argument yourself? Suppose next year, the government mandate that you lose weight, or stop smoking or run everyday, all that of course for the "greater good". And then the year after that, it requires that you give pills to your children because that makes them "less indisciplined" and so on and so forth. Stop being so certain and think a little bit. By accepting this man…

This is a classic slippery slope argument. Losing weight is not the same thing as a pandemic like this. The two-fold reason that these measures are taken is A) over-filling of hospitals and shut-down of all non-emergency services and B) extremely high death rate. Smoking or whatever scary slippery slope you think we're on is not the same thing as the ICU's filling up way over capacity and hundreds of thousands of peo…

> ICU's filling up way over capacity and hundreds of thousands of people dropping dead that normally wouldn't

This claim is mostly overblown at this point. It was a legitimate concern early on, but it hasn't been true for some time.

The vaccine claims are also misleading. Herd immunity by vaccination is not the only way to protect society, and the distinct lack of discussion or recognition of immunity from infection is conspicuous. COVID's infection fatality rate for certain cohorts is low enough that vaccination isn't strictly needed, and arguably taking a different tack on this could potentially have saved far more lives.

For instance, consider if we had only isolated and vaccinated those at greatest risk of death and complications from COVID (40 and older, immunocompromised, comorbidities), and then shipped the remaining vaccine supply to the third world to suppress the emergence of variants. We might not have had Delta or Omicron at all. It's not at all clear that this would not have saved more people in the long run.

Beating this vaccine mandate drum is blinding people to other rational solutions. It's not going to end well. This convoy is probably only the beginning.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by pixl97 »

d0gsg0w00f wrote: post #288
PierceJoy wrote: post #263

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The vaccine isn’t being forced on anyone. Body autonomy is no more being violated here than any other time in history where vaccines have been required to do certain things, of which there are many examples. Not to mention, all the things you listed at the start of your comment have been done by the Ottawa occupiers. I don’t like to call them truckers because most are not, and most truckers are against this occupatio…

No vaccine = no work = no food = die I'd call that "force" even if it's 2 degrees removed.

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