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Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by OrvalWintermute »

goodguyamericun wrote: post #321
thebigjewbowski wrote: post #269

I love Joe. I use Spotify exclusively to listen to his podcast. I listen to every episode… I wish there was a way to tell them if it wasn’t for his show I’d never use their app but I suspect they already know that. Unfortunately I think attacks on his having been prescribed ivermectin and his guests like the highly published cardiologist and the guy that contracts with the defense department and has patents related t…

Well, nyt and wapo got a Pulitzer for a made up collusion, and most don't even know that Durham report has claimed it was so (made up) and therefor pulitzers were badly earned. Still think media is honest?

That is not my favorite one about the NYT.

It was also the NYT's Walter Duranty [1] that covered up Stalin's mass murder of millions in the Ukrainian Holodomor [2], and also, Stalin's purges and show trials. He didn't just cover up the Holodomor, or the Russian starvation, he actually fake fact-checked it in true Facebook fashion, writing the following "Any report of a famine in Russia is today an exaggeration or malignant propaganda. The food shortage, however, which has affected the whole population in the last year and particularly in the grain-producing provinces – the Ukraine, North Caucasus [i.e. Kuban Region], and the Lower Volga – has, however, caused heavy loss of life", and in doing so, refuted the reporting of Gareth Jones.

And Walter got a Pulitzer for his misinformation.

[1] https://www.amazon.com/Stalins-Apologist-Walter-Duranty-Time...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by sshine »

snotrockets wrote: post #293
nomilk wrote: post #224

This is bigger than Spotify. Rogan was a proactive person conducting open research into the world around him. When proactive people investigate things and share their findings, it now only takes a few to dislike the findings, fuss, and have the findings removed. To those that support this, I have 4 questions: 1. Is disincentivising sharing knowledge really good for the world? 2. Is it reasonable to expect 100% of inq…

No, this is not how you do “open research”. He’s a shock jock ffs. A good one, maybe, but not Woodward or Bernstein.

He interviews people with controversial opinions because there are other sides to stories that deserve to be highlighted.

People like him because he appears to genuinely mean that.

It is clear that if arguments like how often he said "cunt" or "nigger" on air get tossed into the debate of censoring his podcasts on covid-related matters, the pitchfork brigade is just out to get him. Not much coherency here.

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Post by inferiorhuman »

cosmotic wrote: post #323
voisin wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps you do speak for the majority. I am a fairly heavy Podcast consumer (I run a lot and like to listen to them), and JRE is consistently among my top two (always a battle with the ever great Rich Roll) because of the sheer diversity of guests he has on. I don’t care for MMA or most of the comedians so I skip those but that’s fine because Rogan is so prolific that there will be something interesting in the next f…

Over-sexualization is a bit different than legitimizing COVID denial and quack medicine and so are the consequences of each.

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Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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thebigjewbowski wrote: post #269

I love Joe. I use Spotify exclusively to listen to his podcast. I listen to every episode… I wish there was a way to tell them if it wasn’t for his show I’d never use their app but I suspect they already know that. Unfortunately I think attacks on his having been prescribed ivermectin and his guests like the highly published cardiologist and the guy that contracts with the defense department and has patents related t…

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Post by Moto7451 »

TrispusAttucks wrote: post #297
afavour wrote: post #188

I’m struggling to have sympathy with anyone involved in this. Podcasting has always felt like a resurgence of the “original web” spirit to me: anyone can upload, anywhere. All you need is an RSS feed and anyone can subscribe. Then Spotify came busting in and decided that the open podcasting platform is obsolete and paid Joe Rogan $100 million for exclusive distribution of his content. So they’ve dug their own grave h…

Spotify competing with YouTube isn't the root problem. The people calling for censorship are the problem. This is the latest attack in an ongoing war on free speech. We are losing our freedoms. Today it's Joe Rogan's speech tomorrow it's yours.

The First Amendment protects us from the government censoring speech. It is not a prohibition on private companies removing content or private citizens demanding the removal of speech they disapprove of.

The fact that this discourse can happen in the open is proof that free speech exists and is in force.

If the Biden administration could control speech they could ban anyone suggesting anything other than the official position of the government. Clearly this is not happening.

Likewise, if the government could control speech they could choose to force Neil Young to place his music back on Spotify for the sake of trade. This is not happening.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by finite_jest »

bachmeier wrote: post #238

Predictably, people break out the C-word. Every business decides what they sell and what they don't. Do they also complain about censorship and shout at the manager of a shoe store for not selling books? Spotify decided they don't want to sell those episodes of JR. That's not censorship, it's business, and it's very different than if it's done by the government.

> Predictably, people break out the C-word.

Censorship is now a taboo word? That's pretty ironic.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by OrvalWintermute »

philistine wrote: post #338
Acrobatic_Road wrote: post #2

A lot of pre-COVID episodes deleted meanwhile recent controversial COVID episodes remain.

I like the idea that it's the guests themselves asking for deletion because they no longer want to be associated with him.

sounds like conjecture

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by philistine »

nomilk wrote: post #239
waffle_maniac wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He has fringe people on his show to drive engagement. Fauci is not going to pay the bills.

Sure, but : 1. Lots of correct scientific ideas were considered outright heretical (not just merely fringe), prior to mainstream acceptance. If you exclude 'fringe' ideas, you exclude the bad ones and the good ones. 2. People who get duped will simply stop listening. Example: This week I was duped by a youtuber, and will never rely on that source again [1]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30137025

Regarding 1, science makes zero progress on an entertainment show. The correct way to scientific redress is through publication of peer-reviewed literature. That's how you get mainstream acceptance in science. Science is not the consensus of opinions in the general public. Quite the contrary.

Come back to me when Nature censors something for ideological reasons.

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