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post #236

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That's fine. But don't take away my freedom to decide that for myself.

At this point Apple zealots usually say you are free to buy device form another manufacturer, because Apple is not a monopoly.

Choosing between iOS and Android is like choosing between a comfortable house arrest and an ankle bracelet.

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post #97

If anyone actually thinks we’re going to be in an objectively better spot in 2 years because of this bill, I encourage you to take a real good look around at the actual world we actually live in. Things I guarantee you will see because of this: 1. You will have six different app stores on your phone. The Apple one, the Facebook one, the Google one, the Epic one, and at least two more, probably one from Disney and one…

I don't see 6 different competing stores on Android. As platform holders, Apple and Google will keep massive competitive advantages against other stores and I'm 100% sure that >95% of users outside of China will only use either App Store/Play Store.

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> New rules could require them both to allow app side-loading — installing apps from non-sanctioned marketplaces — and alternative payment processing systems. Apple and Google have argued vehemently against the bill. Doesn't Google already allow side loading or is that no longer so?

Yes, they're still allowing side-loading. Though it recently tried to monetize Play Store by enforcing its own payment processing system for most apps.

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Allowing alternative payment systems. This would be absolutely huge for small devs, as you no longer have to pay the ridiculous 15%-30% rent to Apple.

Oh goody. I get to manage my own payment system. And have to worry about being tax compliant in every country and state. And deal with logins, and refunds and fraud and uptime and customer support. Where do I sign up?

Or just integrate other third party payment systems like Stripe, Square or PayPal. I'm pretty sure that they will almost immediately make their systems available on both Android and iOS when the bill passes.

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Not so. Those functions are OS-exclusive. It's doubtful that legislators intend the Settings app to be one of those similar apps that third parties can duplicate, and Apple would easily win any case that argued otherwise.

> Apple would easily win any case that argued otherwise. Why?

Perhaps I overstepped my IANAL boundaries there. But I think it shouldn’t be too difficult for Apple’s lawyers to argue that functionality built into the OS to protect location data or control the cellular radio are distinct from say, Apple’s first party Podcasts or Music apps.

Re: App store bill sails out of Senate Judiciary Committee

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post #97

If anyone actually thinks we’re going to be in an objectively better spot in 2 years because of this bill, I encourage you to take a real good look around at the actual world we actually live in. Things I guarantee you will see because of this: 1. You will have six different app stores on your phone. The Apple one, the Facebook one, the Google one, the Epic one, and at least two more, probably one from Disney and one…

I don't see 6 different competing stores on Android. As platform holders, Apple and Google will keep massive competitive advantages against other stores and I'm 100% sure that >95% of users outside of China will only use either App Store/Play Store.

At least in this hypothetical, that’s at least partly because Google owns the primary store on Android. It’s easy to envision them making Google Play for iOS and moving all of their apps exclusively into that and generating quite the beachhead while enabling them to increase their tracking capabilities and gathering more data. Especially if they exclusively release a true build of Chrome (everyone’s favorite monoculture) half of HN will immediately download the store so they can help give Google complete control over the internet.

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post #192

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This is the status quo on desktop OSes, and it's largely a solved problem. A centralized monopolistic app store isn't solving the same "problem."

Is that true? I still have to remove AltAdBrowser fairly often from my mother’s relatively new Dell laptop when I visit.

There's a similar solution to both: Parental controls

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201304

Re: App store bill sails out of Senate Judiciary Committee

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I can already see makers of mainstream apps in China (e.g., WeChat, TikTok, Alibaba, etc) building more feature-rich versions of their apps outside AppStore and unnecessarily mandating contacts and location permissions, while putting a zombie version on AppStore. (This is already the case for Android/Google Play)

Re: App store bill sails out of Senate Judiciary Committee

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I find the FUD against third party app stores on iOS to be simultaneously crediting Apple with providing immense amounts of security in its App Store, and believing that it would be incredibly helpless without sole control through its App Store. That's very contradictory, both in ignoring the many, many vulnerabilities and scams that have proliferated on the App Store through the years (not to mention other negative…

> Furthermore, because Apple still has ultimate control of its operating system, it can design a careful flow to enable the use of third party app stores and side loading. It can hide it deep in Settings behind multitudes of "are you sure?" windows and security checks. It can coax users not to relinquish protections.

If they make the flow add package signers (or maybe a packagename,signer tuple), that would both be more friction than a on/off checkbox and possibly a better way to do it for users. I may want apps X from Y, but I don't want it if it's signed by someone else and I may not want other apps, etc.

Re: App store bill sails out of Senate Judiciary Committee

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post #97

If anyone actually thinks we’re going to be in an objectively better spot in 2 years because of this bill, I encourage you to take a real good look around at the actual world we actually live in. Things I guarantee you will see because of this: 1. You will have six different app stores on your phone. The Apple one, the Facebook one, the Google one, the Epic one, and at least two more, probably one from Disney and one…

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