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Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by kelnos »

rightbyte wrote: post #4

I guess you need to remember your lies? Or don't say you are single when you have wife and three kids. Which just makes it sound like a mixup rather than fraud. Maybe the recruiter called the wrong person. I mean you only say your name once during a call. The person that got the job just made the initial screening interview, and answered the recruiters mail, while they talked to another guy. He then thinks they are s…

> I guess you need to remember your lies? Or don't say you are single when you have wife and three kids.

Yeah, that's the odd thing. You'd think that the guy who handled the interviews would have gotten some background on the guy who would actually join the company and adjusted his small-talk story to match. Then again, the low-effort approach "worked", at least to get the guy hired. If the interviewed guy was getting paid just for getting an offer letter, he doesn't care if the worker guy gets found out later.

> Which just makes it sound like a mixup rather than fraud.

I dunno, the mixup scenario sounds pretty farfetched too, perhaps even more so.

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by k__ »

chasd00 wrote: post #316
pojzon wrote: post #279

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Its funny because thats how many devs here get promotion :^] Quit -> apply to the same company for higher grade job and often way better pay. Why companies dont value their current employees is beyond me.

this is a known short cut in consulting. Quit at your current firm, goto a competitor then come back 2 years later at a level up. Had you stayed at your current firm it may be 3-5 years to level up.

To be fair, you give both competitors inside knowledge that might be worth promoting you.

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by hackerfromthefu »

okeuro49 wrote: post #160
pmarreck wrote: post #142

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>She wore a hijab and the company had just hired its first “diversity officer” so maybe that’s why At what point does forced diversity hiring become a perverse incentive, with regards to needing to run a company with qualified individuals regardless of affiliation? (This may be a cynical question, but I'm not trolling. I'm aware that there are tangible benefits to more diversity. What I'm wondering if there's some ca…

I don't know, but it must be horrible not knowing whether you got the job on your own merit, or if you were just hired to tick a box, if a company has some cynical hiring policy.

On the other hand it must be nice getting paid above your abilities, which is (one of) the common outcomes of diversity hiring, isn't it?

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by scrollaway »

TehShrike wrote: post #323
Slaminerag wrote: post #289

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I remember reading about a team (I think in Japan) which had a "brash foreigner." If someone noticed something, they'd mention it to the foreigner, who would bring it up with higher ups. Everybody won. Problems got fixed, the foreigner was safe because they "didn't know better," and their coworkers felt safe.

I was today years old when I discovered that the perfect job for me does exist

FYI, if you want that job and don't happen to be in Japan, this is exactly what consultants are hired for in many cases: To be a blunt voice of reason in an environment which isn't able to listen to itself.

I've many times been hired in companies to say things employees didn't have the political clout to say out loud. If anything goes wrong, or someone isn't happy, I'm the fall guy.

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by kelnos »

Rafuino wrote: post #218
notpachet wrote: post #202

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Welcome my son, to the machine: https://www.jamf.com/solutions/compliance/

I'm more concerned about a company being able to see what you do on your personal computer, which is what the comment seemed to allude to. I know there are many sketchy tracking mechanisms out there, but if they can extend to your personal network, that's scary

In one of the updates, they mention that they hope they'll be able to get company equipment (presumably a computer/laptop) back from "John". So I'm sure the "spying" software (pretty standard fare for most corporate IT departments) was on company hardware, not personal hardware.

If a company said I could bring my own laptop, but that I'd have to install their "security" software on it, I would definitely decline. Ditto for an MDM on my phone.

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by propogandist »

covermydonkey wrote: post #20

At my Big Corp (tm) we've had HCL and TCM send one candidate for interview and drop off different people entirely. HR caught on when HCL started dropping off men when we had specifically selected several women.

what if they identified as female?

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by giantg2 »

giantg2 wrote: post #224
AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #193

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Product/Software support. Above the Tier 1 level, at the stage where you're talking with the Dev team directly. Developers don't want to talk to customers. So you need someone who can understand either the code or the developer's comments, but can then put it in layman's terms. Edit: DevOps, too.

I'm in a DevSecOps role and hate it.

Why downvote my experiences?

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by kelnos »

icedchai wrote: post #21
kabes wrote: post #6

How can something like this ever work out? If you're an okay-ish candidate and you hire someone better to do the interview, you might get away with it. But if you don't even know the basics of the job as the post claims...

If you're "interviewing" at an extremely large and likely dysfunctional organization, it can probably work out. You might get placed on a random team completely divorced from those you interviewed with. I've known guys who've taken jobs and done nothing for months and months. It's sad. I've also seen people quit after two days!

Yeah, I was thinking the same. In a big enough company, you can spend 3-6 months "onboarding" while drawing a paycheck and not having to do enough to get found out as a fraud. Even after the onboarding period, a skilled fraudster might find a way to blend in and hide if the circumstances are right. Or the company might have a policy (from legal) not to just fire people on the spot, but instead put them on a PIP and/or collect months of documentation of poor performance before doing letting them go.

Even if they fail to last, they've still been drawing a paycheck for maybe 3-6 months (or more?), and that might be an acceptable "win".

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by agumonkey »

soared wrote: post #130
rootusrootus wrote: post #74

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> Always makes me wonder how many dysfunctional companies are out there letting deadbeat remote employees collect paychecks and do as little work as possible because nobody cares enough to press the issue. I'll take a stab at it, and predict... all of them. Or nearly so. There seems to be an ever-present fraction of employees at any large corporation that are essentially worthless. Just along for the ride, raking in…

From my experience once you have ~1,000 employees AND a complicated org chart/raci/etc then it’s fairly easy for people to do little work and hide. In smaller orgs too many people see you, and in orgs that are running efficiently if you don’t do your job it causes issues. Tons of people hiding at oracle from my experience :)

And then there's turnover. People might just never get to know those people. Some may proactively avoid contacts through various means so nobody steps into their office only to realize nothing happens.

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by thegrimmest »

hraedon wrote: post #249
okeuro49 wrote: post #243

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This conversation is referring to a specific phenomenon that has become strongly noticeable in the last 5 years or so. That problems of nepotism, or cronyism have already existed to some extent, is another conversation. I also don't know why "merit" is in quotes. Hiring based on merit is going to be the main goal for companies that are not corrupt. Corruption should also be discouraged e.g. by stopping companies beco…

I know what the conversation is referring to, and my response is in regards to the naiveté demonstrated by responses like yours. The problems of today are different only in particular application, not in motivation or nature. "Merit" as I understand it—who can best perform the job—has almost never been the primary hiring characteristic. Companies are comprised of people and those people are almost always the ones mak…

I don't think the majority of hires at large companies in the past were corrupt. Certainly that hasn't been my experience hiring people at large tech orgs in the present, and the process hasn't changed terribly much really. Given the scarcity of technical ability, we simply can't afford the corruption.

You seem to be discounting the meritocratic process by which people end up graduating from high-ranking schools. Prestigious law firms for instance will only consider graduates from specific institutions, specifically because they act as a filter for talent and ability.

You also seem to be conflating the hiring of people who are culturally similar to corruption. In fact there are many benefits in collaborating in a culturally homogenous environment. Maintaining such an environment in order to reap those benefits has merit too.

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