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Re: U.S. companies are hiring Latin America’s tech talent

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To be close to customers?

close? it s the internet dude

We are not in Metaverse yet. 'Internet people' (your customers) live at real places, order real stuff, has different expectations, use different tools (payment, security..) differently in different geographies.

Re: U.S. companies are hiring Latin America’s tech talent

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My success with outsourcing some work to Latin America has been much, much, much more successful than outsourcing to India and other places in Asia for the following reasons: 1. As the article points out, being in the same/similar timezones is huge. With so many folks working remotely anyway, it's much easier to integrate these developers as part of the team. They join standups, we can have easy back-and-forths in Sl…

My own experiences are identical to yours. Not 90%, not 99%, 100% identical.

Re: U.S. companies are hiring Latin America’s tech talent

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Reminder, every “talent shortage” is actually a wage shortage. Double those salaries and you’ll find plenty of talent.

High wages do not manufacture talent. Spending more money won't allow every soccer team in the world to have a Lionel Messi on squad. There are a finite supply of most skill sets, which can be well below the total demand for those skill sets. Companies don't want to hire generic software engineers, there is a huge demand for software engineering skill sets that are extremely difficult to learn, and which can only be…

What are these software engineering skillsets that are paying over $1,000,000? There are people who are technically ICs making that, but at that salary its mostly down to politics not technical skill, and they are ICs in name only.

>That's not a "wage shortage" unless you expect me to believe that software engineers are choosing to grind away on ERP software for $150k instead.

There are a ton of software engineers who are grinding away on ERP software are capable of handling the vast majority of work at most SV companies. Many of them can't pass leetcode style interviews despite being capable of doing the actual work. Some of them could but don't think they could. But that leaves plenty of engineers who just don't think the prep time is worth it. Those are the people who you could convince by increasing wages.z

I've worked with many smart software engineers in specialties outside of backend web development/distributed systems who are capable of retraining in a matter of months and would retrain if the pay differential were high enough.

Of course the other option is for companies to come up with more realistic hiring tests, lower the bar and fire quickly, or train employees and set a realistic retention budget.

Re: U.S. companies are hiring Latin America’s tech talent

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Reminder, every “talent shortage” is actually a wage shortage. Double those salaries and you’ll find plenty of talent.

At the margins. But let’s say there are 100 heart transplant specialists in the US getting paid $1M per year, but you need 200. You can increase their wages as high as you want and you can’t create 100 of them out of thin air. I’d suggest for highly technical roles, shortages can exist. Unskilled or semi-skilled labor is a better fit for your statement.

In the short term, paying more will pull doctors out of retirement/semi-retirement, and delay retirement for existing doctors.

In the medium term, you'll start attracting doctors from related fields who are willing to retrain.

And in the long term, paying more will attract more candidates graduating from med school who will be performing useful work in 5 years or so.

In software engineering, attracting engineers from other less profitable industries wouldn't take nearly as long.

Re: U.S. companies are hiring Latin America’s tech talent

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The opinion you are quoting is just the typical "not real socialism" stuff from people who don't want to admit that their ideology destroys everything it touches. They are doing it right now with Venezuela. 15 years ago they called Venezuela the future of left wing activism in South America, today they claim it was really right wing all along.

Perón was close personal friends with Mussolini and Hitler, modeling his policies explicitly and in some detail on Mussolini's, and when he had to flee Argentina, he went to Franco's Spain. Mussolini and Hitler rose to power largely on their opposition to socialism, though they did of course attempt to co-opt its more popular policies (and in the case of Hitler even its name), and Franco's opponents in the Spanish Ci…

>Perón was close personal friends with Mussolini and Hitler

So was FDR. In fact, FDR openly modeled his economic reforms on fascist Italy also. Today he is still held up as one of the most famous left-wing American politicans. Absolutely no one claims he was right wing.

Again, this is just more of the same. Before WWII, "National Socialism" was the future of the world and supported by leftists everywhere. The Nazis worked closely with both the Soviets and the Chinese. For the first 2 years of WWII, the Soviets and the Nazis were on the same side taking on the whole of Europe together. After the war it "wasn't real socialism."

>. When Perón returned to Argentina, there were left-wing and right-wing factions of the Peronist Party

Killing each other is what left wingers are famous for. In Soviet Russia the Trotskyites accused the Stalinists of being right wing and they both spent a lot of effort trying to kill each other. This doesn't mean that Stalin was actually right wing, it just means that this is how the left talks - all hyperbole, no reality.

Re: U.S. companies are hiring Latin America’s tech talent

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The opinion you are quoting is just the typical "not real socialism" stuff from people who don't want to admit that their ideology destroys everything it touches. They are doing it right now with Venezuela. 15 years ago they called Venezuela the future of left wing activism in South America, today they claim it was really right wing all along.

Gabriel Garcia Márquez is pro-capitalist. I said nothing about real socialism.

Gabriel Garcia Márquez is a famous socialist, a big supporter of Fidel Castro...etc.

Re: U.S. companies are hiring Latin America’s tech talent

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post #319

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Perón was close personal friends with Mussolini and Hitler, modeling his policies explicitly and in some detail on Mussolini's, and when he had to flee Argentina, he went to Franco's Spain. Mussolini and Hitler rose to power largely on their opposition to socialism, though they did of course attempt to co-opt its more popular policies (and in the case of Hitler even its name), and Franco's opponents in the Spanish Ci…

Argentina was quite rich, relative to the rest of the world, in 1950.

Kind of, though nothing like our golden age of the 01920s. But we didn't have high levels of literacy or lots of expert machinists; we were still living off our ag exports and creating unprecedented levels of economic inequality. And then Perón redirected us towards North-Korea-style autarky and cult of personality, purged the universities of ideological dissent, and valorized ignorance: Haga patria, mate a un estudiante, and alpargatas sí, libros no. Economic development became impossible. The post-Perón dictatorships were just as anti-intellectual.

Re: U.S. companies are hiring Latin America’s tech talent

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post #319

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perón was close personal friends with Mussolini and Hitler, modeling his policies explicitly and in some detail on Mussolini's, and when he had to flee Argentina, he went to Franco's Spain. Mussolini and Hitler rose to power largely on their opposition to socialism, though they did of course attempt to co-opt its more popular policies (and in the case of Hitler even its name), and Franco's opponents in the Spanish Ci…

>Perón was close personal friends with Mussolini and Hitler So was FDR. In fact, FDR openly modeled his economic reforms on fascist Italy also. Today he is still held up as one of the most famous left-wing American politicans. Absolutely no one claims he was right wing. Again, this is just more of the same. Before WWII, "National Socialism" was the future of the world and supported by leftists everywhere. The Nazis w…

It's true that FDR was left-wing, that he expressed admiration for Mussolini, that Stalin persecuted Trotsky and his followers, and that for 22 months the USSR and Germany were invading other countries instead of fighting each other.

The rest of your comment is Holocaust-denialist-level pseudohistory, as is obvious to anyone who reads literally anything from the time period or anything about it by real researchers or talks to anyone who lived through it.

Re: U.S. companies are hiring Latin America’s tech talent

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The opinion you are quoting is just the typical "not real socialism" stuff from people who don't want to admit that their ideology destroys everything it touches. They are doing it right now with Venezuela. 15 years ago they called Venezuela the future of left wing activism in South America, today they claim it was really right wing all along.

Gabriel Garcia Márquez is pro-capitalist. I said nothing about real socialism.

This is as far from the truth as mrjangles's comments.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2014/04/gabriel-garcia-marquez-ou...

Re: U.S. companies are hiring Latin America’s tech talent

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High wages do not manufacture talent. Spending more money won't allow every soccer team in the world to have a Lionel Messi on squad. There are a finite supply of most skill sets, which can be well below the total demand for those skill sets. Companies don't want to hire generic software engineers, there is a huge demand for software engineering skill sets that are extremely difficult to learn, and which can only be…

What are these software engineering skillsets that are paying over $1,000,000? There are people who are technically ICs making that, but at that salary its mostly down to politics not technical skill, and they are ICs in name only. >That's not a "wage shortage" unless you expect me to believe that software engineers are choosing to grind away on ERP software for $150k instead. There are a ton of software engineers wh…

A skillset I am familiar with that can pay extremely well is the design of complex systems software from first principles. Most software companies don't have this skillset on their payroll, and honestly most companies don't need it. Companies that do need it really need it though, and they can often directly attribute many millions of dollars to the work, so the exceptional compensation seems reasonable, demand greatly outstripping supply notwithstanding.

These days, people with this skillset are commonly employed to design data infrastructure software for cases where open source software has material deficiencies in terms of scalability, performance, or efficiency. Optimization of complex AI/ML processes is another emerging area where I see friends being hired. It typically isn't a leetcode style hiring process.

A software engineer cannot be retrained to do this role in months, the domain is too deep. It requires multiple years of diligent self-study to achieve functional competency, plus many more years for mastery, and I've never seen an exception to this. Much of the essential theory is diverse and never covered in undergrad e.g. greedy routing theory, universal sequence prediction problems, agreement-free consistency, etc. Efficient reduction to practice on real hardware is esoteric, non-obvious, and poorly documented. You need similar levels of low-level knowledge about how silicon behaves as software optimization specialists. In most cases, all existing software is demonstrably unfit for purpose which often implies a likely requirement for inventing a novel and/or unorthodox software design that is superior to what has been done before (the alternative is that all popular implementations that might be fit for purpose are just really poor, in which case you do a blank-sheet implementation of a conventional design).

Consequently, the new talent pipeline is almost entirely sourced from people who devote years of their life to mastery solely because they love the problem space. We simply have no practical way to produce this skillset at a rate sufficient to meet demand. In principle you could build a full-time educational program that focused on training people up effectively but it would still require years to produce more talent like this.

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