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Re: FalsiScan: Make it look like a PDF has been hand signed and scanned

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Post by koolba »

cpitman wrote: post #95

I had another version of this at the DMV. They needed to see bills that offered proof of my residence (ie power/water/etc). Turns out they wanted them to be mailed to you, which wasn't going to work because I do paperless billing for everything. So I printed them out and tri-folded them as if it had been in an envelope. People in front of me in line got turned away for using printed bills, but mine worked just fine.

Get a color laser printer and print out whatever you’d like. Anybody that sees a crisp color printed paper will assume it was actually mailed to you.

Another tip if you need “proof of address” is to use any notice from your State that your license or other paperwork is expiring. They’re a government agency, the paper is printed on their letterhead, and it’s addressed to you at the address you’re already trying to establish!

Re: FalsiScan: Make it look like a PDF has been hand signed and scanned

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Post by shard »

cpitman wrote: post #95

I had another version of this at the DMV. They needed to see bills that offered proof of my residence (ie power/water/etc). Turns out they wanted them to be mailed to you, which wasn't going to work because I do paperless billing for everything. So I printed them out and tri-folded them as if it had been in an envelope. People in front of me in line got turned away for using printed bills, but mine worked just fine.

Is this recent? Which state? I just got my RealID in California in December, and tri-fold-free printed PDFs worked fine for me.

Re: FalsiScan: Make it look like a PDF has been hand signed and scanned

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Post by taxyz23 »

zainhoda wrote: post #297
radicaldreamer wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's also designed to make sure that poorer people who don't have stable, permanent housing have a tough time

I think the mechanism is indirect. After 9/11, Congress wanted to make it difficult to falsify IDs. The optimization was to maximize the probability that an ID is real and correct if an ID is presented to board a plane. Unfortunately there’s was no constraint that the process shouldn’t prevent people from getting IDs or make it easy. Poor people don’t have enough of a voice for Congress to care. Poor people are exclu…

Actually poor people are well represented. Witness the trillions of dollars of debt the US is in, the countless duplicative entitlement programs subsidizing food, health care, housing, schooling, etc. Politicians don't get elected unless they give other people's money away to those who don't have it and the poor by definition do not have money to give away but they do vote. Sometimes like here a minor fraud prevention rule slips by like address corroboration but it quickly becomes obsolete because bureaucratic efficiency and modernism is not what government does best.

Re: FalsiScan: Make it look like a PDF has been hand signed and scanned

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Post by shard »

kube-system wrote: post #175
cdcarter wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the US, no, you don't need to fill out any forms to register yourself as a resident. The closest is probably moving your drivers license registration, which many people wait years to do after moving. Other than that, you generally prove residency by showing (as GP mentioned) bills mailed to you, or a copy of your lease. You're responsible for filing your own state taxes based on when/how/where you worked.

> The closest is probably moving your drivers license registration, which many people wait years to do after moving. Most states do require by law that you do this in a very short period of time after moving. (Although yes, it is not uncommon for people to violate this)

California requires you to register your vehicles within 20 days and firearms within 60 days of moving in-state.

Re: FalsiScan: Make it look like a PDF has been hand signed and scanned

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Post by BlueTemplar »

ihattendorf wrote: post #82
heydonovan wrote: post #71

I hate PDF's with a passion. Not once have I ever wanted to use one. All the pinching and zooming, such a waste of time. I'm giving this a shot next time I need one, the whole scanner thing needs to go. Are we stuck in the 90's? Just bought another rental and it was an ordeal trying to find a scanner. Tried the college near me, was denied as you have to be a student. The library is closed down apparently. FedEx didn'…

Do you hate PDF's or do you hate scanned documents? How else should we send text or image documents in a portable format, MS Word? Google Docs?

(m)HTML (aka .eml). And it even supports multimedia !

Re: FalsiScan: Make it look like a PDF has been hand signed and scanned

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Post by refurb »

candu wrote: post #37
lionkor wrote: post #20

Honest question: As long as you say you signed it, and you say it's your signature, does it matter how real it looks?

IANAL, but this depends on the jurisdiction. In some places (e.g. Ontario, Canada), e-signatures are fine; often this is because the law explicitly says they have the same effect as a "wet" signature. In this case, "looking real" doesn't enter into it. In others (e.g. Denmark), you don't even need to sign - merely stating your intent to accept a contract, and having a clear record of that intention, is enough. In thi…

Singapore has this halfway thing which means some documents can be e-signed (purchase orders) but more “serious” documents like lease agreements need a wet signature.

Re: FalsiScan: Make it look like a PDF has been hand signed and scanned

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Post by taxyz23 »

idiotsecant wrote: post #257
lemax wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't say it's intentionally designed to do this, but that it's a consequence. There's no good reason anyone would intentionally want to keep the poor poor, it's just bad design.

There is, on the other hand, a strong incentive to keep poor people from getting ID. If you don't have ID you can still mostly do the peasant work that is required for those in power to stay in power but you can't remove them from power by voting because those in power are increasingly linking the ability to vote with the ability to get documentation which they are continuously working to make it more difficult for p…

Please provide evidence of this? Lots of evidence in the form of entitlements to those of low income to the contrary.

Re: FalsiScan: Make it look like a PDF has been hand signed and scanned

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Post by taxyz23 »

gridspy wrote: post #315
ctoth wrote: post #305

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this your true belief? Do you really 1: conceive of anyone without an ID as a "slave," and 2: believe that things like Real ID laws, which are broadly supported by 80% of citizens[0] are here just to keep the poor down? This seems utterly inflammatory, and somewhat divorced from reality. I absolutely understand systems thinking, and specifically can see the argument for posiwid here, but even then... This sort of…

I concur that the GP was a bit dramatic in their use of the term "Slave," but they raised a valid point. Voter suppression is a real thing in the United States. It's a strategy often used to hold and retain power by the minority (often richer, privileged) party See https://www.aclu.org/news/civil-liberties/block-the-vote-vot... > Suppression efforts range from the seemingly unobstructive, like strict voter ID laws an…

Purging voter lists is not suppression unless you view dead people or those who have moved out of the voting jurisdiction on the voting rolls as legitimate voters. No different than a company purging email or address lists of outdated names

Re: FalsiScan: Make it look like a PDF has been hand signed and scanned

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Post by taxyz23 »

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #334
dijonman2 wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can’t help but see this as some sort of propaganda. Where’s the evidence this is a concerted effort against poor people? You can’t do much in life without ID.

It's not just requiring ID, it's closing polling places, discarding mail-in ballots, and a whole host of techniques designed to "ensure the quality of voters". And these techniques disproportionately affect voters of color and the poor. Also when I was a kid (20 years ago) no ID was required to vote. Actual voter fraud is incredibly, vanishingly rare. But the lie that it is common is used to drum up support for these…

I'm astonished that anyone would advocate for voting without some sort of Id. If you cant drink, drive or get a library card without an ID you shouldn't be able to vote. The Id laws that states do have on the books are incredibly liberal in what type of Id is acceptable to vote . Texas, a state lots of people are quick to assert has suppressive voter ID laws, doesn't even require a picture ID or original documents. In fact even a copy of a utility bill is acceptable: https://www.sos.state.tx.us/elections/forms/id/poster-8.5x14...
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