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Don't take digital photos that you don't want the world to see. I don't like seeing "don't victim blame" taken as gospel. Blame isn't a simple binary thing. Every time a company is hacked we don't line up to defend their shoddy security practices even though they are a victim.
This is a really bleak way to look at digital devices and their role in the world. Should you only write things you want the world to read on a computer, and for everything else, just use pen and paper?
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Re: Pixel sent to Google for replacement. They used it to post wife's nudes online
#342Earlier quoted context omitted.
Don't take digital photos that you don't want the world to see. I don't like seeing "don't victim blame" taken as gospel. Blame isn't a simple binary thing. Every time a company is hacked we don't line up to defend their shoddy security practices even though they are a victim.
This is a dangerous argument. There’s been a lot of public statements from the big tech firms about how data on phones is encrypted and that the devices are safe. Resorting to “do not do X if you don’t want Y to happen” is a cop out and demonstrates a fundamental failure of technology doing what it says on the box.
They don't say that when it's not encrypted it will remain secure.
Nudes are very rarely encrypted.
Re: Pixel sent to Google for replacement. They used it to post wife's nudes online
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Prudence is certainly a choice one can make, but in no way should it be recommended or required. Google is supposed to be trusted with the world's emails, photos, and other Android data backups. If it is necessary to take precautions against Google misusing data, then that cuts to the heart of their business model, and is a material threat to consumers that they should be informed about.
> Prudence is certainly a choice one can make, but in no way should it be recommended or required. risk = probability X severity. If something is a big deal to you, take precautions, even if it's unlikely, because the severity is high. This is why we take huge precaution with nuclear plants, because the likelyhood of an accident is low, but the severity is high. If you have nude on your phone, severity is high. The p…
Incorrect, for societal reasons.
For women, the severity of nudes being stolen is very high, regardless of social stature. The majority of nudes published without consent are of women, and the majority of 'revenge porn' nudes published explicitly to demean are of women, and the majority of societal outrage excluding public figures is directed at women. The long-term impacts of nudes being published without consent never fade, and is nearly as likely to result in loss of employment and social stature years later.
For men, the severity of nudes being stolen directly correlates with whether they perceive their career or social stature to be at risk if nudes are stolen are shared, as in the majority of cases men are blackmailed for payment before stolen nudes are published. The long-term impacts of nudes being published without consent fades rapidly for private individuals, hinges on their career and social profiles rather than being effectively universal across their gender, and is often disregarded altogether.
For public figures, the employment and societal circumstances vary wildly, and the overall risk of permanent harm to men increases considerably; however, the risk of permanent harm to women decreases only slightly, and typically only for women who already publish nudity of their own accord, and thus have already factored in the societal harm of doing so.
My time is limited, so here's one contributing citation only:
Intimate image abuse in adults and under 18s (2019) https://swgfl.org.uk/assets/documents/intimate-image-abuse-i...
Re: Pixel sent to Google for replacement. They used it to post wife's nudes online
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Assuming any of it is true, and he isn't just LARPing based on what he read about Apple a few months ago. I'd put the odds at 50/50.
That's pretty high. The default assumption about any personal story on reddit is that it's all lies.
Re: Pixel sent to Google for replacement. They used it to post wife's nudes online
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Years ago I had some friends who worked in a local photo shop, and once I stopped by and they showed me around. This was in the days when 99% of the population developed film and made prints by dropping off the little canisters at such shops with an order form. It usually took a few days to get them back. Everyone made assumptions that the process for developing photos was anonymous and private - you dropped off a ca…
One Hour Photo (2002), starring Robin Williams. (I might rewatch it, it's been a while.)
And it was an utter shock. Not only the fact that the photo shop employees had a window into our private lives and were saving copies for future reference, but what other people's private lives were like. "Spicy" ran the gamut from wife nudes to borderline Blue Velvet.
It was one of those 10-minute experiences that totally shifts one's understanding of the world.
Re: Pixel sent to Google for replacement. They used it to post wife's nudes online
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Modern Android actually does support disk encryption. And the Pixels even have TPMs that should (?) safeguard the key, preventing offline brute forcing the unlock pattern. I wonder what happened here that this did not work...
Someone else here mentioned that the the reddit comments (now deleted) said that the phone had no passcode on it, so anyone would be able to unlock it.
Re: Pixel sent to Google for replacement. They used it to post wife's nudes online
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Maybe stay with the carpenter and observe him so you can make sure the pictures are secure? Might seem weird, but if you explain to the person doing the work that you have sensitive data on the device they'd probably understand the precautions.
It's hard to do that when you have to drop your phone at the counter and whoever gets it is not the actual person fixing it
Re: Pixel sent to Google for replacement. They used it to post wife's nudes online
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> It’s not an “or” proposition. I agree, but I’m confused; I didn’t make an or proposition, and you followed that statement with one. We can realistically deal with privacy problems using laws, and we cannot realistically ever expect people to never repair devices that have private information on them. Right? There’s also an unfortunate environmental downside to suggesting that people avoid repair.
It's about taking precautions in general, not avoiding repair in particular. And deal with privacy problems at the society levels, not just using laws in particular. And it's not "or" them. It's "and".
You defended the specific idea of avoiding repair. If we’re talking about other “precautions”, I’m not sure what you mean because you haven’t made it clear.
My point, I guess, is that “advice” about taking “precautions” really does boil down to victim blaming. There are no reasonable precautions that the general public can take when sending a device in for repair; private information will be available to the person with physical access to the device.
We already have some laws protecting against privacy violations, and the issue in this article is likely covered by some of them. The remaining solution is for Google or Google’s subcontractor to be held accountable and pay damages, which is exactly what is needed to address privacy problems at the social level: consequences for breach.
Otherwise, I don’t see how your suggestion to take “precautions” is helpful or realistic.
Re: Pixel sent to Google for replacement. They used it to post wife's nudes online
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This feels like a limitation of our ability to have constructive conversations online. Someone can be less than perfect and that can cause them to be victimized. We should be able to talk about both aspects of this story, perhaps independently. Some people want to discuss how the offender should be punished, and other people want to discuss how we can behave to prevent being victimized ourselves. I don't think it's v…
> I don't think it's valid to argue that people discussing how to prevent victimization, are somehow "victim blaming". Weird also, that talking about preventative measures is only considered "victim blaming" when it comes to certain specific topics. If you say it's a good idea to wear a seat belt or helmet in your car or motorcycle, it's not victim blaming. If you say people ought to lock their doors at night, it's n…
(1) the purpose helmet is to protect you from accidents, not malicious actors. When you get hurt in a car accident, it is rarely because a criminal set out to deliberately hurt you.
(2) if you responded to an article about someone specific getting hurt in a car accident with "well they should have been wearing their seat belt", you probably wouldn’t be called out for victim blaming, but you probably would be called an asshole.
Re: Pixel sent to Google for replacement. They used it to post wife's nudes online
#350I'm sick of people, so I'm not going to read the inevitable comments that are going to come. Look, face it, some people like taking nude photos of themselves and they like sharing them with their partners. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this. It's not their fault if something like this happens. People should be able to feel secure in the tech that they use, in the companies that they entrust their information…
Don't take digital photos that you don't want the world to see. I don't like seeing "don't victim blame" taken as gospel. Blame isn't a simple binary thing. Every time a company is hacked we don't line up to defend their shoddy security practices even though they are a victim.
Gah, what a sad, terrible world we have built.