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Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by kodah »

I'm curious how useful voting really is. The usefulness of it really depends on if voters are disciplined enough to remove their opinion voting and vote based on an established, high-level framework. The latter still includes some opinion, but at least more rigorous and less opinionated.

I can see a couple outcomes from such a system:

- downvotes are guideline violations

- upvotes indicate relativity, not necessarily agreeableness

- no interaction would be common

All of this is centric to a users thought. I don't think a machine could be taught these things.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by suyash »

daveoc64 wrote: post #327
qwertox wrote: post #4

Hmm. For me the dislike button was informative. If feels like they are trying to create a world where everything can only be good, better, even more better, which just doesn't represent reality. Imagine Stack Overflow only having the option to upvote Questions and Answers. The ratio of likes vs dislikes of a TED talk does help me to decide if I should stop watching a video which just isn't getting better.

Downvotes on Stack Overflow/Exchange require users to meet a reputation threshold (much like HN) and each downvote removes 1 reputation from the user that gives the downvote. Dislikes on YouTube and similar platforms don't have any cost or barrier to entry.

but everyone can still the the count - that is the main point here

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by emkoemko »

post_break wrote: post #8

So now I can't quickly see if a video how-to is a complete waste of my time or not. Great.

well this will be good for flat Earthers videos, they always end up with lots of dislikes :) now more people can fall for the countless bs on youtube based on the like count and no counter showing dissent....

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by politician »

adolph wrote: post #277
louissan wrote: post #110

I find this pathetic. As if the removal of the "dislike button" helps in any way, shape or form to create a more "inclusive" environment. This reeks of the silencing of what is perceived as dissident voices, is all. I've personally never hit a like or dislike button in my life, never will ... but found it interesting as a viewer to see the ratio. Even knowing this ratio is probably at least partially the outcome of b…

The new ratio will become likes to views. I wonder if likes or views will be next to disappear?

Or upvotes on comments that contain the message "Dislike".

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by gregmac »

josefresco wrote: post #165
louissan wrote: post #110

I find this pathetic. As if the removal of the "dislike button" helps in any way, shape or form to create a more "inclusive" environment. This reeks of the silencing of what is perceived as dissident voices, is all. I've personally never hit a like or dislike button in my life, never will ... but found it interesting as a viewer to see the ratio. Even knowing this ratio is probably at least partially the outcome of b…

From the article.. "What we learned from the experiment: Those in the experiment could still see and use the public dislike button, but because the count was not visible to them, we found that they were less likely to target a video’s dislike button to drive up the count. In short, our experiment data showed a reduction in dislike attacking behavior 1. We’ve also heard directly from smaller creators, and those just g…

This seems like the wrong target to me. Why not go after the user?

If there's a user that is going around disliking a ton of videos, especially on a single channel, and/or without watching some minimum time or % of that video, it seems likely that user is being abusive; so perhaps shadow-ban that user's votes?

Similar with new users.. disallow use of dislike completely until they've been around a while and built up some reputation/history (by watching, upvoting, etc). If the user is possibly a bot (I assume there's algorithms to determine confidence of bot vs real user), require more verification.

I'm sure there's a reason they're not taking this approach, but I find it hard to believe they're choosing they way they are based on the reason they're giving here.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by NazakiAid »

Was watching YT shorts, and all you see is the likes. Lots of likes, and I was thinking who watches this crap. Thankfully the comments made me realize I am not alone in this though. Wish I could have wasted less time by having the amount of dislikes listed.

Now I am going to have to do the same method on YT videos as I do shorts, where I go look at the comments first which is unfortunate.

Stupid move from YT but was warned it was going to happen.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by pessimizer »

darkwizard42 wrote: post #228
post_break wrote: post #8

So now I can't quickly see if a video how-to is a complete waste of my time or not. Great.

The comment section still works

...until it's gone, or new youtube blue checks mark commenters that automatically get floated to the top.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by sergiotapia »

subsubzero wrote: post #55

This still seems like a huge disconnect to what people use youtube for vs. what google thinks it should be used for. Google wants youtube to be all network and brands making content. ie. a future version of what TV is now. What actual people want is creator made videos(diy/review/podcast videos and everything else that make youtube wonderful). This disconnect has been happening since google bought youtube and this re…

Abandon youtube, use Odysee and support web3 already. It's time to go back to a distributed web.

https://odysee.com/

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by emkoemko »

jarek83 wrote: post #150

How this is useful to people wanting to watch meaningful content? Like many wannabes post football games highlights that just turn out to be some fake content. I can quickly figure that out by seeing 95% dislike ratio. Now I'll be forced to experience it by myself (and watch ads before it of course)

what about all the crazy stuff on Youtube? conspiracies? fake bs etc etc now it will just have likes? sounds like a good idea :) and lots of people watch Youtube on smart tvs with no way to see comments, what on earth is Google doing
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