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Post by andai »

kumarvvr wrote: post #288
jiggawatts wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Dark Matter Development" -- finally I have a name for it! Sometimes you see articles on the Internet where someone basically says something along the lines of "All developers use the Linux bash command-line workflow", and I just look at statements like that and wonder what on earth are they talking about!? I have never seen a developer familiar with the command line. I have never seen a developer willingly use a Lin…

I agree. I am from India. My whole life I have used Windows. Usage and teaching of Unix / Linux is severely limited to top universities, and only because they copy the US university culture (most professors are US educated) 90% of the articles on the web, are 100% certain that I have a use VIM / Emacs, on a Linux machine. Where are the articles that focus on the rest of us ?

What kind of articles make assumptions about your preferred text editor? Or do you mean they assume you're on Linux in general?

Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by dotancohen »

cm2187 wrote: post #226
kingcharles wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This actually makes sense in 2021 since we have the resources to allow things like this. 20 years ago this might have seemed insane.

Keeping in mind it's also a double edge sword. TLS deprecations alone will ensure your app will die after a few years if it doesn't run on an up-to-date CLR.

This sounds quite the argument for basing critical workflows only on software for which the user has both access and permission to modify the source code.

Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by sjellis »

orthoxerox wrote: post #199
jekude wrote: post #34

As a relatively new engineer (~2 years FAANG experience), there seems to be a connotation around .NET. Perhaps this is indicative of the larger Microsoft ecosystem, but it feels like my peers at university and in the industry tend to stay far away from .NET for personal projects, etc. Why is this?

.NET 6 (or 5, or Core 3.1) is absolutely fine for personal projects. The tooling is great, it runs on Windows and Linux, the web stack is miles better than Spring Boot. But if your personal projects are a stepping stone to a programming job, then .NET has a monstrous legacy problem. In 2002-2007 a lot of code was written using .NET in enterprises: it was the best way to write a rich desktop application for Windows an…

The wheels started to come off with .NET back when ORMs became a thing, slightly before Rails. Look up "ALT.NET" movement for the history.

TLDR: Microsoft wanted .NET developers to only use tech from Microsoft, used various tactics to achieve that, and people got the message. If you wanted to use modern tech or develop innovative stuff, .NET was not a comfortable place to be.

Microsoft have tried to move past that, but never really have. .NET has never had a healthy Open Source eco-system.

Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by mcny »

DavidKarlas wrote: post #10
kreeben wrote: post #4

>> ASP.NET Core in .NET 6. I've been on .net since 1.1 and .net Core since 1.0 and this statement makes me so confused. Core lives _inside_ of .net 6? Is there a non-core ASP.NET that also lives inside that framework? I thought .net 5 was where the legacy 4.x branch and core 3.1 was married in holy matrimony, minus the worst of the legacy garbage.

.NET is sane now... .NET 5, .NET 6, .NET 7... all cool, no more confusion going forward... .NET Framework(full Windows only Framework) is .NET Framework 4.x, stuck there forever only security patches... Only remaining confusing part left in ecosystem is "ASP.NET Core", because even though .NET got rid of Core, latest version ASP.NET didn't

As far as I know that's because asp.net mvc 5 already exists. For example Entity Framework 6 already exists so the new stuff will still have the name core until the number is high enough that there is no legacy stuff with the same number anymore.

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Post by ed_elliott_asc »

dotancohen wrote: post #337
abdusco wrote: post #24

> In .NET 6, in-memory single file apps have been enabled for Windows and macOS. In .NET 5, this deployment type was limited to Linux. You can now publish a single-file binary that is both deployed and launched as a single file, for all supported OSes. Single files apps no longer extract any core runtime assemblies to temporary directories. This is a great! Now I can publish statically linked executables and run it e…

I wish that I knew about this earlier. I'm a Linux user but I love C#. I suppose that VS Code is the canonical IDE for C# today?

No visual studio or rider, vscode support isn’t great from my experience.

Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by alasdair_ »

cm2187 wrote: post #226
kingcharles wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This actually makes sense in 2021 since we have the resources to allow things like this. 20 years ago this might have seemed insane.

Keeping in mind it's also a double edge sword. TLS deprecations alone will ensure your app will die after a few years if it doesn't run on an up-to-date CLR.

Timezone and DST fuckery is another, I assume?

Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by DeathArrow »

.NET 6 was released but MAUI was pushed for next year and I still haven't heard anything about AOT which was delayed a few times and was supposed to come WITH .NET 6.

Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by ziotom78 »

dustinmoris wrote: post #72
dschuessler wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft branding is terrible. My only point of contact with it is Visual Studio Code which is different from Visual Studio which is different from Visual Studio for Mac. There was a brief period of time after I recognized that .NET really works on all platforms without proprietary stuff and before the `dotnet watch` desaster in which I was at least curious about .NET. But even then I never fully figured out how .NE…

> Microsoft branding is terrible. Agreed. > I never fully figured out how .NET, .NET Core, ASP.NET, .NET Framework, .NET MAUI and the kitchen sink relate to each other. You're not the only one who is massively confused about everything that is labelled .NET or Core. If anyone else is struggling, I recommend this (I wrote it): https://dusted.codes/dotnet-basics

Wow, I will surely pass this to my students. Thanks for having written it!

Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by DeathArrow »

dotancohen wrote: post #337
abdusco wrote: post #24

> In .NET 6, in-memory single file apps have been enabled for Windows and macOS. In .NET 5, this deployment type was limited to Linux. You can now publish a single-file binary that is both deployed and launched as a single file, for all supported OSes. Single files apps no longer extract any core runtime assemblies to temporary directories. This is a great! Now I can publish statically linked executables and run it e…

I wish that I knew about this earlier. I'm a Linux user but I love C#. I suppose that VS Code is the canonical IDE for C# today?

For Linux you can use either VS Code or Rider.

Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by eddhead »

DeathArrow wrote: post #347

.NET 6 was released but MAUI was pushed for next year and I still haven't heard anything about AOT which was delayed a few times and was supposed to come WITH .NET 6.

They promised Blazor AoT and its here, with. NET6. Maui is just a refresh of Xamarin Forms so that can wait.
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