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Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by FridayoLeary »

helge9210 wrote: post #336
FridayoLeary wrote: post #312

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It was already clear, what will happen next. Is it? The attempted murder of innocent people? Is that the sort of behaviour that should be accepted and tolerated? because it sounds like you are saying that.

> The attempted murder of innocent people? In your opinion, what should a teenager do after witnessing extrajudicial execution of his relative by occupying army?

In your opinion, how should the IDF act do if they know that every teenager can become a potential mass murderer? Your words, not mine. Bear in mind that soldiers are people and they can feel emotions such as fear and anger over dead comrades. Of course unjustified violence is not right, but you can't exactly expect them to engage in community relationships. They also can't ignore the status quo which involves terrorists acting with impunity like in the intafadas.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by bhouston »

oytis wrote: post #302

Kind of OT, but are there Palestinian human rights organizations that are focused, or at least cover human rights violations by Palestinian government?

There is a bunch of Palestinian HR groups that do that, for example:

http://www.mezan.org/en/post/21740/Al+Mezan+Calls+for:+Solut...

http://www.mezan.org/en/post/24069/Press+Release%3A+Al+Mezan...

http://www.mezan.org/en/post/24043/Position+Paper%3A+Human+R...

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by RicketySpickets »

mike_d wrote: post #324
DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #31

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> (this was clear from the Darknet Diaries episode) think that episode also mentioned it iirc ... that the plausible deniability goes out the window the minute they host their own infrastructure. also NSO Group goes through great length to obscure who they're selling to using shell and shelf companies. actually indistinguishable from how narco terrorists and organized crime operates: https://forensicnews.net/the-cove…

> that the plausible deniability goes out the window the minute they host their own infrastructure NSO operates the infrastructure and customers provide a list of phone numbers. They will launch exploitation against the provided numbers without any knowledge of who owns the phone (as long as the number isn't from a restricted country like Israel or the US). Once the implant calls back it goes to a portal where the cu…

No they do not have to trust anyone. They designed it that way. Maybe this level of oversight is the only level the market will bear, but it was still a design decisions.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by raxxorrax »

wara23arish wrote: post #196
raxxorrax wrote: post #153

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That is indeed quite a weird restriction. Sure that law was made by Jews? I think many would oppose such a move. On the other hand some feel compelled to enact such laws because there are groups tell funny stories about Jews or Israel. Any more examples? Help for hurricane relief, as weird as it may be, doesn't indicate political influence, although many states have special protections for minorities of all kind.

You asked for public policy that favors Jews. This one favors them but is not targeted to American Jews rather Israelis. Boycotting Israel is not about telling funny stories about Jews. I suggest you read a little about why the boycott exists in the first place if you truly want to know. I had no idea Israelis thousands of miles away are considered minorities in states like Texas and Georgia and many others. There is…

I think BDS is not a feasible strategy but I am firmly against silencing them in any way.

That said, ask some Jews what they think about such policies. Again, this isn't indicative of anything aside from maybe a misaligned strategy to shield minorities.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by zouhair »

int_19h wrote: post #328
whimsicalism wrote: post #238

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Super disingenuous in my view to have some purity test around renouncing violence against a white supremacist state. Is political violence not justified in that context? Were violent European revolutions against their monarchs all terroristic? Honestly surprised to see so many apartheid apologists in these replies.

In case of ANC, it definitely did things that fit the colloqual definition of terrorism - i.e. targeting civilians for political purposes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMkhonto_we_Sizwe#1980s:_Bombi... That's not a justification of apartheid, though. One can argue that apartheid and terrorism are both morally despicable. Or one may argue that terrorism is sometimes justifiable. And there are many other historical ex…

I'd call Bantustans terrorism though.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by DSingularity »

joelbluminator wrote: post #337
DSingularity wrote: post #330

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Hasbara is what the Israelis call it… what would be a more sincere way for me to refer to it?

Public relations? Diplomacy? Even propaganda if you want to be negative towards Israel? Why would you use the Hebrew word for it, do you use the Hebrew word for other things as well? It's not a unique thing to Israel that's exactly my point.

You are missing the point, people don’t use it because it’s the Hebrew word. Hasbara is a crucial part of Israeli strategy to expand its borders and maintain its dominance of the Palestinian people. Hasbara is all about (1) obfuscating the settler-colonial nature of Israel and (2) white-washing Israeli military war crimes in Gaza and occupied territories. It’s telling that the achievement which launched the political career of the current prime-minister was astroturfing Wikipedia to promote Zionism and Israel. This stuff is important to Israel it’s not just propaganda to promote is hasbara to enable.

The nature of hasbara has features which warrant distinguishing it from propaganda. For example it seemingly exclusively relies on astroturfing. That’s useful to know that there are organizations giving students fellowships [1] to promote these efforts. Another feature is in the objective. Unlike generic propaganda, the objective isn’t to promote domestic nationalism, counter competing ideologies, or to demotivate foreign adversaries. The objective is obfuscating the settler colonial nature of Israel and white-washing Israeli military war crimes.

To me, this warrants calling these efforts by what the Israelis call it.

1. https://hasbarafellowships.org/

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by dang »

cultofmetatron wrote: post #252
FridayoLeary wrote: post #180

calling them "defenders" of human right implies that there is a war being fought (by Israel) against human rights. I don't believe that this has been adequately demonstrated, therefore i think the title is inflammatory and misleading. Please can you change it, Dang

wow. my preceding comment got flagged despite having 6 upvotes. all I said was that Palestinians live in an apartheid state and that it constitutes a human rights issue.

Flags on comments like that also come from users who just don't want repetitive flamewars on HN. It's a mixed bag.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by helge9210 »

FridayoLeary wrote: post #341
helge9210 wrote: post #336

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The attempted murder of innocent people? In your opinion, what should a teenager do after witnessing extrajudicial execution of his relative by occupying army?

In your opinion, how should the IDF act do if they know that every teenager can become a potential mass murderer? Your words, not mine. Bear in mind that soldiers are people and they can feel emotions such as fear and anger over dead comrades. Of course unjustified violence is not right, but you can't exactly expect them to engage in community relationships. They also can't ignore the status quo which involves terror…

> how should the IDF act do

Solution is simple: end the occupation.

> which involves terrorists

Your terrorists are someone else's freedom fighters.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by joelbluminator »

DSingularity wrote: post #347
joelbluminator wrote: post #337

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Public relations? Diplomacy? Even propaganda if you want to be negative towards Israel? Why would you use the Hebrew word for it, do you use the Hebrew word for other things as well? It's not a unique thing to Israel that's exactly my point.

You are missing the point, people don’t use it because it’s the Hebrew word. Hasbara is a crucial part of Israeli strategy to expand its borders and maintain its dominance of the Palestinian people. Hasbara is all about (1) obfuscating the settler-colonial nature of Israel and (2) white-washing Israeli military war crimes in Gaza and occupied territories. It’s telling that the achievement which launched the political…

Yeah ok man ...was nice talking to you.
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