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Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by gambiting »

rasz wrote: post #338
gambiting wrote: post #337

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Do they not have bundles where you live? I just don't understand why you're so offended by the concept. The deal I posted is at MSRP, if the things bundled with the console are worth 0 to you then that's on you I'm afraid.

Would you like a brand new RTX 3090 at MSRP? Ill sell you one right now $1,499 no questions asked. Oh by the way, it comes bundled with 3 PS3 Madden games and a banana, $4500 in total.

If those Madden games and a banana are worth $3000 then of course, yes, but your comparison makes zero sense because those items aren't worth that much, neither in retail nor in resale. For some crazy reason you are assigning value of zero to the controller and those two bundled games, which is just simply and logically not true - at MSRP, at retail prices, the value of all items adds up to the price being asked. Again, you are behaving as if you've never seen a bundle before.

In your example, it's like if you were selling an RTX3900 bundled with a PS5 for $2000 - is that over MSRP, or not? What a riddle!

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Post by wizardofdos »

epinephrinios wrote: post #305
SirHound wrote: post #174

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I believe consoles are indeed cheaper because 1. they can be sold at a loss (whether or not they actually are now, they have been historically) as the manufacturers make that back on games 2. they bulk order components and package/market them as a single piece. I much prefer gaming on consoles because I can't be bothered with all the mental overhead that comes with PC gaming. Like most of us I don't have much time. I…

Sony's exclusive games are the best IMO. You can't play those on PC (unless they do a PC-port many years later).

You can actually, with Playstation Now or whatever Sony's streaming service is called.

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Post by randomswede »

rich_sasha wrote: post #85

Given all the issues described in this thread, what is the upside of a game console (non-gamer)? Why not get a PC that you can automatically use for other things, can play games from any vendor etc (some of the issues mentioned in the thread). Are consoles cheaper “per transistor” or sth? If so, why? Is it about the vendor locking you in and charging more per game? That would seem even more skewed against the buyer:…

As a general rule, there's not much difference between one instance of "console X" and another instance of "console X", but the difference between "PC 1" and "PC 2" can be quite substantial. This usually gives a console a longer useful lifespan than a "gaming PC".

As an example, I bought a PS4 late 2013 or early 2014 (honestly can't recall the exact date), and it was performing pretty well for games released, um, whenever I last bought a new game (late 2020, I think). I doubt that a PC from 2013 would have been able to play a "beefy" PC game released late 2020.

I mean, I guess I could chase the forefront of PC hardware, just to support gaming. But, then I'd also have to dual-boot (it is still the case that a substantial amount of PC games need Windows to run on), and lock myself in to updating the PC hardware every 2-3 years, just to keep up with new titles.

Meanwhile, my primary desktop was purchased before my PS4 and still runs linux admirably. Would I get more oomph if I upgraded it? Sure, more (much more) RAM and probably 2x - 4x the number of cores. But, I don't actually have to, it does what it needs to.

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Post by lordlimecat »

zeusk wrote: post #332
lordlimecat wrote: post #320

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So now the kids need a PC to game, and the parent needs a second PC to game, and I'm wondering how this is more reasonable than a single dedicated appliance that costs less than half of the two PC setup.

Docker blocking Xbox chat is not a platform issue but a docker issue and OP doesn’t even want to take time to file a proper bug report so yes kids would be better off using a pc or their own. Same would go for any console, phone etc. You can’t just install stuff with known issues from 3rd parties, not file report with any diagnostics and then blame it on the platform. Would you blame iOS for a badly behaving app that…

If I am understanding correctly, it is an Xbox issue because game systems do not like virtualization / emulation / containerization functionality because of its potential for enabling cheats. Many test proctoring systems are the same way-- the presence of a virtualization service, driver, or hypervisor will trigger a red flag.

So again, for the huge number of people whose life involves technology there are a lot of things that can throw a wrench into that PC for gaming, and in those cases a console makes a lot of sense. It's a little odd to me that this bothers you so much; surely it is expected that consoles have a good usecase given their popularity?

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Post by dayvid »

GhettoComputers wrote: post #266
dayvid wrote: post #205

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You have to use Windows or deal with weird compatibility hacks? I’m really looking forward to the Steam deck. It may not have the power of current-gen consoles, but it takes so many good things about current consoles and combines them together. Openness of a PC, not Windows, portable + docking, etc.

Why do you need a weaker handheld? Nvidia moonlight can stream from PC already, played Halo on my iPhone with controller. Steam link or equivalent on TV works, and you can just subscribe to nvidia GeForce now if you want to be GPU free anywhere(all long as games are supported). The things I’d want to run from the deck will be served better on a laptop anyway. No thanks to 720p screen, low battery life, the weight of…

I agree that streaming is interesting, and I did it from a mac a few times, but you have to be online w/ a good connection in order to do streaming.

I got a switch as a present recently and while I don't like Nintendo's eStore software, pricing and console power, I found myself just picking it up and playing randomly in off time much more than opening a laptop and getting a separate joystick or mouse to play a game. I only played it docked once.

If the steam deck came out earlier I probably wouldn't have bought my g14.

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by GhettoComputers »

dayvid wrote: post #345
GhettoComputers wrote: post #266

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Why do you need a weaker handheld? Nvidia moonlight can stream from PC already, played Halo on my iPhone with controller. Steam link or equivalent on TV works, and you can just subscribe to nvidia GeForce now if you want to be GPU free anywhere(all long as games are supported). The things I’d want to run from the deck will be served better on a laptop anyway. No thanks to 720p screen, low battery life, the weight of…

I agree that streaming is interesting, and I did it from a mac a few times, but you have to be online w/ a good connection in order to do streaming. I got a switch as a present recently and while I don't like Nintendo's eStore software, pricing and console power, I found myself just picking it up and playing randomly in off time much more than opening a laptop and getting a separate joystick or mouse to play a game.…

If you have an nvidia card you can install moonlight and stream it to anything that the app installs to. I played Halo on iOS with a xbox one controller mounted to my phone (had to use 5Ghz instead of 2.4Ghz). If the gift was an older switch there’s tons of homebrew on it, it was hacked at the beginning since it was just a Tegra and nvidia shared all the hardware info to developers. I think it’s a fine piece of hardware as someone who used a hacked PSP for mostly emulating old Nintendo consoles. I ended up playing Pokémon rom hacks more than PSP games. It’s still a viable solution for gaming, the vita is technically better and paysw more games, as does the switch but the games I care about are solved on my current mobile gaming hardware, and if you want a better homebrew device some jailbroken older iPhone or Android with emulators connected to a wireless controller (or mounted) will be good enough. I saw a GameCube emulator on an S9 playing skyward sword pretty well.

I think that streaming from a desktop is probably the best way to go, if you’re just playing at home it’s great, but if you’re mobile a dedicated device is better. The deck is too heavy for being a good handheld, and I have plenty of fun with older games: newer games might have better graphics but they’re often not as fun. The best CoD for me was BO2, and the best classic games don’t need good hardware, although I’d find very little reason to play some like SS2 on the go. The idea of playing computer games on the go is enticing but most require more attention, so streaming at home is the best compromise and it’s a solved problem with network streaming. I don’t have bias against AMD I just use nvidia and know the software for it. They might have a better solution.

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Post by datenarsch »

wizardofdos wrote: post #342
epinephrinios wrote: post #305

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Sony's exclusive games are the best IMO. You can't play those on PC (unless they do a PC-port many years later).

You can actually, with Playstation Now or whatever Sony's streaming service is called.

That service does not get said exclusives until many years later, if ever.

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by tekknik »

SirHound wrote: post #288
lewispollard wrote: post #259

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Yup, you can also set up Steam to launch Big Picture mode at Windows boot, if you wanted to use the computer exclusively for gaming, and in addition, it's currently the best way to use a game controller on Windows, since when running in Big Picture it takes over all game controllers with its own input wrapper, which makes nearly any game controller work in a unified way with completely configurable controls. This is…

Surely you still have to enter your Windows password with a keyboard?

It’s a gaming PC, why do you use a password? Is someone going to break into your house and steal your PC on to be thwarted by your password?

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Post by tekknik »

lewispollard wrote: post #290
SirHound wrote: post #288

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Surely you still have to enter your Windows password with a keyboard?

Big Picture includes an on-screen keyboard overlay that you can toggle with a shortcut (by default it's the controller "home" button and "select", iirc). The first time you try to unlock the PC this way, Steam will prompt for elevated permissions to be able to do so. You can of course also set up the user to be automatically logged in. In my experience it's best to have Steam launch via the Task Scheduler with elevat…

Microsoft used to sell a keyboard attachment that would go on the bottom of an xbox controller. I dunno why they stopped selling them, they work great for things like this.

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Post by fulafel »

rich_sasha wrote: post #85

Given all the issues described in this thread, what is the upside of a game console (non-gamer)? Why not get a PC that you can automatically use for other things, can play games from any vendor etc (some of the issues mentioned in the thread). Are consoles cheaper “per transistor” or sth? If so, why? Is it about the vendor locking you in and charging more per game? That would seem even more skewed against the buyer:…

Gaming on PC generally means Windows, many of us don't want it on our computers, which would mean "getting a PC" would not result in a computer that you'd want to use for other things.
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