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Overly analytical guide to escorting

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Re: Overly analytical guide to escorting

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Post by MillenialMan »

emerged wrote: post #22

I actually read the entire thing. It was worth it imo. Some stand outs were her kind words about her clients (almost strange to see men as a class described with such positive words). She is clearly a very rational and intelligent person and this is a business to her like any other. Yeah I really don’t get why this stuff is illegal, even though I have no interest myself.

Treating men who hire prostitutes with respect is kind, but not necessarily honest. More or less a requirement is that they not care if the person they're having sex with hates it. They're a distinct class of people and not reflective of all men.

I'm honestly not sure how I feel about it. I don't like the weird denial about that aspect of the transaction. It makes it difficult to trust the rest of her writing.

Re: Overly analytical guide to escorting

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Post by birder331 »

zozbot234 wrote: post #227
Yoric wrote: post #156

Very interesting article. Do I understand correctly that sex work is still illegal in the US? If so, what's the rationale? Why can't consenting adults do what they want with their body?

Unfortunately, legal sex work is often exploited as a safe haven for human trafficking. High end escorting is actually likely to be at the lower end of risk, but is ultimately too tiny of a niche for policymakers to care about preserving.

So let's crack down harder on trafficking if the traffickers are doing illegal things. Your argument is like "online fraud is rampant" let's make purchasing items online illegal because we can't stop the fraud.

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Post by zajio1am »

throwaway210222 wrote: post #320
Yoric wrote: post #312

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I personally don't feel that sex work is worse than any other work, unless we (society) make it so. I could be entirely wrong, but would a poor, struggling woman trying to do three non-sex jobs to feed that same child be in a particularly better position?

This question has an answer. If sex work is just like any other job, then many, if not most Western welfare societies demand that an unemployed person takes any job in their skill-set. So you end up demanding women go back to the prostitution - because there is an opening at the local brothel next to the truck stop. This isn't theoretical - it has happened more than once in Germany. https://www.smh.com.au/world/no-jo…

Is this really different than say vegetarian being demanded to take work in slaughterhouse?

Re: Overly analytical guide to escorting

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Post by Aella »

alasdair_ wrote: post #231
system2 wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At 17%, if you do it a long period of time you definitely get it. Even if it isn't deadly virus, you get something nasty and most likely permanently.

9% of the workers reported never using a condom and a further percentage only use them sometimes. I suspect those are the majority of the 17% with an std.

Actually none of the zero-condom users reported getting a STD. My theory is that zero-condom users tend to be much more exclusive and to have fewer clients, or to do this closer to part-time?

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Post by Aella »

Liriel wrote: post #197

> I’ve been sexually assaulted on the job (which was sort of my mistake; this was the one guy who I thought I’d screened but actually hadn’t, and if I’d screened him I would have not met him) No it wasn't your mistake. It hurts me to see that people who have been through trauma blame themselves for it.

I appreciate the care here! I do think he very clearly should not have assaulted me, and I also think I made a mistake by not screening him. Both are true! I have no sense of guilt or self-blame around this, I mostly have "Oh, I failed to do a thing that would have protected me, I'll make sure to do that next time, good to know."

Re: Overly analytical guide to escorting

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Post by zajio1am »

durnygbur wrote: post #166
refurb wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was an article about prostitution in Germany (legal) where Eastern European women will offer services for as low as 10 EUR. Race to the bottom?

One must be really a hopeless ugly German to pay a woman from EE for sex. They hope for a relationship anchoring them in the country and need a guide through the ruthless rules and bureaucracy, you receive sex free of charge. Bulgaria, Romania, Moldavia, Poland, Belarus, Ukraine - you pick the flavour. Historical justice... not.

Many EE countries are already in EU, their citizens do not need to go through ruthless rules and bureaucracy to live in Germany, they just need to find any work there.

Re: Overly analytical guide to escorting

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Post by throwaway210222 »

zajio1am wrote: post #343
throwaway210222 wrote: post #320

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This question has an answer. If sex work is just like any other job, then many, if not most Western welfare societies demand that an unemployed person takes any job in their skill-set. So you end up demanding women go back to the prostitution - because there is an opening at the local brothel next to the truck stop. This isn't theoretical - it has happened more than once in Germany. https://www.smh.com.au/world/no-jo…

Is this really different than say vegetarian being demanded to take work in slaughterhouse?

Vegatarianism isn't a job when I last checked, so no - its not the same thing.

Re: Overly analytical guide to escorting

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Post by brabel »

Aella wrote: post #336
manquer wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point is her experience is niche and unique, it is not indicative of how the industry at large actually operates so making any judgements would not be meaningful as OP was doing.

My experience was not that niche and unique; I tried to consistently show data around how prices might impact your experience. The amount you charge is not correlated with the majority of the questions I asked sex workers.

In some Nordic countries, it's not illegal to sell sex, but it is to buy it. What do you think about that? Do you think making the men fear the law, but not the women, would do anything to help the women?

I guess the government's objective is to kill the business completely, which is about as realistic as prohibiting alcohol.

Re: Overly analytical guide to escorting

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Post by denton-scratch »

creamytaco wrote: post #330
denton-scratch wrote: post #304

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> It strikes me somewhat oddly that one might pay so much $1200 an hour, with a minimum 1.5 hours, so $1800. In addition to a 20-minute roll in the hay, you get an attractive, intelligent person for company, who is skillful at flattering men. So these "half the people on the planet": if they're not prostitutes, then you will have to date them. You are not going to cop if you take your date out to KFC. Even taking the…

This sounds completely off the mark for anyone that is moderately attractive, outgoing whilst possessing intelligence and social skills (I know, such a high bar to clear amongst SV types). The fact is, if one is above average in these areas, sex with attractive females doesn't cost one anything besides the time one puts in for the experience itself. Throwing money at escorts is such a loser move (and the experience s…

> The fact is, if one is above average in these areas

I'm 65. When I was 18, I was very scruffy, probably smelled bad, and had no money and no car. Women didn't exactly jump at me. I didn't try very hard to persuade them to. And there were no dating apps, and no websites.

I've never been into the "fuckem-and-chuckem" school of romance - I had a few one-nighters with pretty girls. If I was up for paying an escort, I'd pay for a nice one.

> the experience so far away from sex with a woman that truly desires you

So you've had the "escort experience"? Odd, then, that you'd say "throwing money at escorts is such a loser move". Maybe you chose badly?

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