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Google maps says downtown Austin to Giga Texas is 17 miles, 24 minutes. I don't know what traffic is like in Austin but I imagine it's not nearly as bad as the bay area. I think a 25-30 min commute is pretty reasonable and most people would happily take that for much cheaper housing. The big difference is that in Austin you have the option to commute a bit for much cheaper housing. But in the bay area you could be co…
Traffic in Austin is insane. Legit insane. Definitely comparable to the Bay Area if not worse. And there is absolutely no transit alternative comparable to BART. There is a morning and evening train, but it's really only effective if you live and work exactly on the stops.
Tesla’s headquarters will move to Austin
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Those poor, powerless, persecuted politicians.
Politicians are at least theoretically accountable to an electorate, whereas egomaniacal billionaires are accountable to nobody.
For almost all billionaires, that's a far larger constituency and a much more frequent and efficient selection process compared to elections every x years by the 30% of the population who bother to vote. As soon as they stop performing, the money stops rolling in.
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#343When CEOs move, they often move their headquarters closer to where they live. Somehow Tesla managed to survive all the problems of California until shortly after Musk moved to Texas. Folks talking about the advantages and disadvantages of California vs Texas may be overthinking this.
Wonder if it had anything to do with this… https://mobile.twitter.com/unusual_whales/status/14462517624...
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#344Now that Elon has extracted a bunch of subsidies from California, he is moving on.
to move towards a sustainable future, he's moving on to Texas. Hell of a great use of subsidies.
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I thought Prop 13 no longer applies to current purchases? If you own a house under prop 13 it’s under way low property tax, but if you sell it, it get reassessed at the new current value. Is this not the case? When we purchased our house years ago the taxes weren’t cheap and we had to pay the additional Melli-Roos tax.
Prop 13 still applies (though I personally think it inflates home prices in CA above their "true" market value and disincentivizes anyone from selling/moving). When I bought my home this year, it got re-assessed at my purchase price, yes. But for as long as Prop 13 is the law of the land, no matter how much home prices in CA inflate, my property tax is more or less capped at the price I paid for the house.
Exactly. And this is important for potential homeowners to understand. It is one of the things that makes California real estate so attractive. One has to view their house as an investment, not just a place to live.
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>budding Literally Dell Computers is from Austin.
Has Dell done anything innovative since the 90s? It repackaged computer hardware in a cheap package filled to the brim with bloatware.
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#347With these moves I understand the companies might have good reasons for that (costs, nu-favourable laws, etc.) but it always bothers me what happens to the employees ? Do they just "raise the anchor" and move with the company (if they do actually physically relocate, which does not seem to be really the case in this instance) ? Maybe that's normal in the US but the though of having to leave your friends, parts of fam…
In this particular case, not much. They are expanding their factory in California. They are not moving all their operations.
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The main problem for musk in this case being his tax burden, since he is otherwise entirely insulated from every other issue affecting most californians.
His tax situation really has nothing to do with it. If he sells his Tesla shares, he's still going to owe CA tax. But he never has to sell any Tesla shares, he can just buy hedges against them and take out loans. If you have sufficient capital assets, you never have to actual earn any "income" or generate any "capital gains" if you don't want to.
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#349The official reason is because of housing: "To be clear we will be continuing to expand our activities in California," Musk said. "Our intention is to increase output from Fremont and Giga Nevada by 50%. If you go to our Fremont factory it's jammed." But, he added, "It's tough for people to afford houses, and people have to come in from far away....There's a limit to how big you can scale in the Bay Area." https://ww…
Will Tesla's employee salaries remain the same, or will they go down commensurately like every other re-located SV employee? Because $300k houses are still pretty darned expensive when you're not making SV salaries.
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I talked to several Tesla and former Tesla folks that will probably relocate because of this, and the say is that since Austin in less NIMBY than the Bay Area new housing will get built and prices will go down. It's a more complex bet than just "we move there because houses are affordable now".
Apple took this bet years ago, it has not panned out. Austin's housing and rental prices just keep increasing year after year.