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Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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post #279

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The ads on Spotify for paying US users is what keeps me off of it for the most part. You can fast forward but it's a gigantic pain in the ass. Their UX is awful too compared to a simple web app, they should just clone a basic Youtube/Odysee/Rumble functionality for their video side.

Wait, -paying- users get ads in the US? Then why do they pay?

It's only the ads that the podcasters put in themselves. They are not the Spotify ads.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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post #48

To be fair... his move to Spotify coincided with him spewing more and more anti-vax and anti-mask drivel that I don't have any interest in listening to.

Exactly this. I used to be a fan of the podcast and have no problem listening to it on Spotify. It just stopped being interesting.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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post #330

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> Journalists don't have any special statutory privileges. I’d say a special mention in the first amendment is notable.

Nope. US courts have consistently held that the first amendment applies equally to everyone regardless of occupation. There is no special legal test to determine if someone is a member of the press. There are centuries of case law on this issue.

Journalists have (some) protection against being forced to testify about sources. I guess it becomes a philosophical question at that point whether being a journalist is an occupation or an action.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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I subscribe to Spotify but I dropped Rogan when he left. I have all my other podcasts in one app, listening history and all. Now I have to drop that because Spotify want to play monopoly? S** that.

Scratching my head what "S**" means

Sod? Maybe? People say "Sod that" in Britain. I don't know why you'd censor that though.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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He left a void which is now being filled by Lex Friedman and others. Rogan doesn't even bother placing something about the podcast in title - he just names the guest which doesn't say anything to me so I dropped his show long time ago. Even went that far and send him an email regarding how frustrating it is to just listen to show after show until you find a subject that you like.

What he lost with YouTube is their algorithm which kept recommending bits and pieces aligned to what the user was already watching. With Spotify he's just there as an author/podcaster - nothing on the subject of what I am currently listening - he lost the context.

I placing his growth on YouTube and its recommendation engine more than anything else.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Comedian Bill Burr said it best: "I'm not gonna sit here with no medical degree, listening to you with no medical degree, with an American flag behind you smoking a cigar acting like we know what's up better than the CDC." [0] That quote is Joe Rogan's shtick in a nutshell. [0] https://youtube.com/watch?v=tSKVXl-WnrA&t=5m20s

The problem people have with Joe Rogan, and everyone else like him, is that they're spreading misinformation without having an ounce of education in the subject at hand. People should be listening to the CDC, the FDA, getting vaccinated, wearing masks, and washing their hands. That is best solution we have to the problem, end of story. No amount of agreeable platitudes will make any difference if this disease continues to mutate among the unvaccinated population. Arm chair commentators are not more capable at understanding virology and immunology than the CDC, and their beliefs are completely irrelevant when it comes to fighting this disease.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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post #146
post #48

To be fair... his move to Spotify coincided with him spewing more and more anti-vax and anti-mask drivel that I don't have any interest in listening to.

> his move to Spotify coincided with him spewing more and more anti-vax and anti-mask drivel that I don't have any interest in listening to I listen to his show sometimes, and while I've heard him have guests on from all sides of these issues, at no point have I heard him be anything less than a thoughtful, critical interviewer. If that's "drivel", we need more drivel. I'll certainly take it over everything I see on…

How is calling men who wear masks "pussies" while disagreeing with your guest about it being a thoughtful and critical interviewer?

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Comedian Bill Burr said it best: "I'm not gonna sit here with no medical degree, listening to you with no medical degree, with an American flag behind you smoking a cigar acting like we know what's up better than the CDC." [0] That quote is Joe Rogan's shtick in a nutshell. [0] https://youtube.com/watch?v=tSKVXl-WnrA&t=5m20s

Bill Burr might be right, but there are, for example, people who think satirical news shows are actual credible news. I don't think what Joe Rogan does is much above a step beyond that sort of entertainment.

The Colbert Report did more to educate Americans about Super PACs than any legit news source: https://www.annenbergpublicpolicycenter.org/stephen-colberts...

Meanwhile Fox News continues to mislead Americans with active disinformation on a daily basis.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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There are plenty of situations in which we as a society have decided that freedoms are curbed to protect the masses. Drunk driving laws for instance. If you are putting people around you at risk, it seems perfectly reasonable to me to require you to stay home, not all the other people who have taken the easy trivial precautions (vaccines and masks) necessary to protect those around them.

Covid vaccinations have only been proven to protect the vaccinated from severe outcomes. They don't prevent infection or re-transmission. There's no valid claim to pushing this on those that don't want them.

They both reduce infections and reduce transmission.

The VE is reduced with delta, but its still nonzero (most of the studies of what it really is are still incredibly poor though, but nothing has show it to be below 50% VE against infection).

The initial comparable viral load studies are also all bad. All they did was compare Ct of RNA loads. We now know that there is less infectious virus in vaccinated individuals, and that Ct values themselves decline faster, which indicates they're producing more viral debris -- we expect studies of transmission to show that they transmit less. Older studies from earlier this year against Alpha found that 80% of vaccinated breakthrough infections produced zero transmitted secondary infections with the other 20% only infecting 1-3 other people.

That is sufficient enough impact on infection and transmission to end the pandemic if everyone was vaccinated.

Unfortunately, everyone, including many scientists are panicking in the face of uncertainty over the delta variant and assuming the absolute worst and spreading worst-case messages which are portraying vaccines as not being worthwhile, when they're still effective enough.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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post #203

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I am a free speech absolutist. The answer to speech you don't like is more speech, not censorship.

Yes, more speech is always the answer. Which is why the unmoderated internet is a such a bastion of enlightened, thoughtful discourse.

it is if you’re not fragile
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