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TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by broknbottle »

drzaiusapelord wrote: post #311
n8cpdx wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is an out of touch take from the TikTok=China=bad days of 2019/2020. I see queer creators on TikTok all the time. Quite frequently actually. This was the second video that showed up for me today, with 500k views (it is propaganda out of the White House, in collaboration with a popular queer creator): https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMdosCgTr/ Only 50k views from an amateur creator, because TikTok hates queers: https://vm.…

50k is really amateur numbers. 50k people have probably already read you comment. Charli Damelio's last post was her eating a bag of Takis for 20 seconds and it got 15 MILLION views. We're just not seeing those numbers in marginalized communities on tiktok but we do see queer creators with top-tier numbers on youtube, facebook, insta, etc. Where's the trans Charli or the obese Charli or the anti-capitalist Charli? Se…

You are cherry picking influencers to try and argue your point.. How do you know Charli Damelio isn’t queer? Maybe the reason you don’t see a certain demographic doing big numbers on a platform is because the users on said platform are not interested? I find it odd that you immediately jump to the conclusion that it must be oppression because everybody doesn’t find what you think they should find interesting.

I’d rather watch somebody eat a bag of chips than listen to them talk about their sexual preferences.. I could care less what somebody finds attractive or who/what they are dating.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by t_akosuke »

cronix wrote: post #73
mrtksn wrote: post #25

I'm a huge fan of TikTok because after years of content stagnation and dullness, the internet is fun again. Especially places like Twitter and Instagram are outrage and depression inducers for me, consumed together it feels like the society is collapsing but everyone is living a perfect life at the same time. The China thing is touchy but I want the west to beat them by being better, not by being dismissive and prote…

Another thing Tik Tok does is get rid of people who are obese, queer, or otherwise the target of harassment. Their stance is it's easier to get rid of the person being made fun of or limit who can see their videos rather than the 10k people harassing them. > According to Netzpolitik, the social media company instructed moderators to find users who are “susceptible to harassment or cyberbullying based on their physica…

Someone will always post this on top of any thread about TikTok and that someone must not have tried Tik Tok for very long. My feed is chok full of those that are supposed to be discriminated against, they have solid audiences, and there's great healthy communities around disabilities, LGBTQI+, race issues, politics...I rarely get a hot white babe doing a trendy dance and if i do she will probably have a prosthetic leg

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by y2bd »

OJFord wrote: post #321

I am honestly stunned that so many people apparently use both HN & TikTok. What does it offer you? Why isn't it the reserve of teens and younger that I thought it was? (I'm in my twenties, it's not news to me that I'm out of touch with the modal person my age/younger, but I'm not totally obliviously removed by generations or anything, and seemingly it's not just used by people my age/younger anyway.)

Like 3/4s of my algorithmic feed are music content, so

- People talking about music they heard recently and enjoy, and often featuring much smaller/unknown artists than I've ever heard of elsewhere. It is biased towards indie rock and a small spectrum of electronic music though.

- Those small artists uploading their music, sometimes with a Tiktok-meme-friendly video accompanying it, or just a recording of them performing it

- Artists and producers explaining how they make their music, and offering composition or production tips. Much like Medium blogspam from first-year programmers a lot of this advice is pretty awful, but there is good stuff that manages to poke through.

The other fourth is a mix of popular content and a decent assortment of the terminally-online irony-poisoned content creators you see everywhere. You already know if you like that stuff.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by wongarsu »

telxoss wrote: post #278
wongarsu wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is a real threat, but that's a problem with (proprietary, centralized) online media in general. Which social network would you trust not to do that? Facebooks experiment on manipulating emotions comes to mind [1]. The only way to minimize these effects is to consume a multitude of media from multiple sources, so no one entity has too much influence. Balancing all the US-based social networks with some TikTok cer…

Or you could just not waste your time with social media or the news in general. If you didn't check social media or have any input from a new sources in the past 2 weeks what would you have missed? The NASDAQ went down then back up? Real news could be done with a single web page that updates weekly. Even if monthly you wouldn't really miss out on much of anything important.

For news, weekly newspapers are probably the best source. They don't have to be reactionary, they have time to do research and let things play out a bit, enabling them to give you useful insights instead of hysteria.

To me social media isn't about news, it's about entertainment, education, social interaction, etc. My TikTok is about people rapping childrens books, what ADHD does to people and how to deal with it, how introverts go to the party for the cats instead of to meet people (all things in the first five clips when I just opened it).

Social media certainly can be toxic, but it can also enrich your live and give you a much wider horizon by bringing you into contact with people outside your social bubble.

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Post by baby »

nostromo wrote: post #28
ericcholis wrote: post #4

Pro TikTok take. It's easier and friendlier to consume. The algorithm is good at tailoring interests. But, it's more like TV than FB.

It’s also much more positive. If I spend 20 minutes on TikTok I usually laugh and smile a few times. And regularly I’m impressed at human creativity. 20 minutes on Instagram or Facebook is usually either boring or leaves me comparing myself to others. 20 minutes on YouTube and I feel like I’ve watched 10 minutes of ads and 10 minutes of fluff. 20 minutes on Reddit and I hate the world.

I don't understand all the "it's more positive" comments here. It's almost seems like FUD to me. The times I used TikTok I just got so absorbed in it that I wasted hours of my life just scrolling endlessly consuming brainless content. I don't know how that was a positive experience compared to consuming a more thoughtful video on youtube, for example.

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Post by ren_engineer »

buryat wrote: post #330
ren_engineer wrote: post #312

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TikTok's algorithm is just pre 2017 YT and FB cranked up by 100X. For some reason the media hasn't gone after TikTok yet for pushing people into "echo chambers" but they basically just feed the most engaging content with no breaks on the train. I read an article about the parent company and they have one of the most popular news app in India as well despite none of the engineers being able to read what content is bei…

> they basically just feed the most engaging content with no breaks on the train. this is simply not true, i regularly get videos with less than 100 views, and a few videos i published got a few hundred views.

every video starts with 0 views, new videos all get pushed to small sample groups and the ones that get the most engagement in terms of watch time and other factors then get pushed to larger groups

that's the point, the content that doesn't engage users doesn't get promoted. TikTok isn't going to push a boring video to millions of users

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Post by zmk5 »

OldTimeCoffee wrote: post #269
zmk5 wrote: post #255

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What a shockingly simplistic view of art you have. It pains me to know that the cultural artifacts of my people will be viewed by you in the same vein as a 30 second TikTok video.

Are you serious? How do you think the clay pot ended up being recovered by an archeologist? There's pretty much two ways... You should look up some TikTok creators from Egypt, there is plenty of great stuff out there. The basic premise of your argument as I understand it is that art is something you see in museums or art is something that has been gated by age or by scholars or by "cultural significance". This is not…

First, I've seen Arabic TikTok creators and I don't need to be lectured about their presence and content.

Second, that is not the argument I am making. The ancient Egyptian clay pot at a museum was just an example. I stated the act of getting money is not devoid of the context of which it was acquired when it comes to art.

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Post by mrtksn »

OJFord wrote: post #321

I am honestly stunned that so many people apparently use both HN & TikTok. What does it offer you? Why isn't it the reserve of teens and younger that I thought it was? (I'm in my twenties, it's not news to me that I'm out of touch with the modal person my age/younger, but I'm not totally obliviously removed by generations or anything, and seemingly it's not just used by people my age/younger anyway.)

There are wonderful comedians, musicians, dancers, storytellers, videographers, people with curios jobs, unusual animals, remote locations etc.

It’s overwhelming positive and creative.

This guy is funny: https://www.tiktok.com/@adrianbliss/video/695706186311272371...

If you don’t think it’s funny, simply swipe up, at some point TikTok will start showing you the right kind of comedians(or maybe no more comedians?).

It’s no fuss when you encounter something you don’t like. You don’t need to go to the comments and tell then what’s wrong with them. You don’t like it, you skip it, it’s gone. Eventually you will see mostly stuff you like and TikTok isn’t going to think that all you want to watch is pizza making video just because you liked one pizza making video. It’s strangely good at keeping the exposure diverse.

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Post by AgentME »

godelski wrote: post #144
wongarsu wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is a real threat, but that's a problem with (proprietary, centralized) online media in general. Which social network would you trust not to do that? Facebooks experiment on manipulating emotions comes to mind [1]. The only way to minimize these effects is to consume a multitude of media from multiple sources, so no one entity has too much influence. Balancing all the US-based social networks with some TikTok cer…

Is the network authority the only entity to blame here? Looking at the other end of the spectrum, if a popular network was fully decentralized and had zero censorship or speed bumps to control how viral something goes, then I still think that social network would be vulnerable to propaganda machines. Specifically still by those with the most money to throw at it. I don't think Facebook and many social networks are do…

Generally I agree people (especially on HN) are too optimistic about zero-censorship decentralized systems, but I think it's important to point out that decentralization doesn't have to mean zero censorship / everything goes. In federated systems like Mastodon, each instance can handle their own moderation separately, allowing moderation to be done with more context by people closer to their communities and for a diversity of moderation styles to exist.

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Post by sorry_outta_gas »

mtc010170 wrote: post #149

I'm not a TikTok user.. or really a fan or user of any social media (and yes I realize I'm on HN).. but I find it silly that people are saying TikTok is somehow "better" for society or peoples' psyches than any of the alternatives. Do you remember when Facebook wasn't considered terrible? Twitter? Reddit? Instagram? Snapchat? This is just the latest one to rise to the top.. following very predictable patterns. It's g…

Facebook was usually considered pretty terriable especially in the early farmville days
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