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The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway

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Re: The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway

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Post by zomglings »

BitwiseFool wrote: post #293
GuB-42 wrote: post #271

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I think there is a market here. "Dumb" search engines, that search exactly the words you type, maybe with advanced features like regex, metadata search, etc... It won't replace Google's guesswork, but sometimes, I just want to grep the internet. All non-Google engines are all about privacy, which is nice, and almost a requirement if you want to compete with Google, but I'd like to see features that actually improve s…

I'd like to go a step further and hope for "dumb" search engines that are tailored towards indexing specific subsets of the internet as a whole. As an example, imagine a search engine that is specifically tailored towards programming questions. Or one that specifically omits some of the more annoying SEO optimized results, like Livestrong and USA Today.

My current product started off as precisely that kind of search engine.

User adoption is a huge problem - almost no users made it their default search engine because even programmers need to do non-programming searches and it's too easy to go into your browser, hit ALT+d, bang out your search query, and hit enter.

And because google and ddg do a good job on most programming related searches, they get to be the default search engines.

Re: The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway

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Post by hnbad »

iratewizard wrote: post #330
hnbad wrote: post #306

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Better known for being linked to the Christchurch and El Paso shootings, being the origin of the QAnon movement and having a history of hosting child pornography. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8chan

Facebook, reddit, MySpace and Twitter have all been linked to mass shootings and child pornography. None of these sites condone, enable or remotely desire such content.

> None of these sites condone, enable or remotely desire such content.

Yeah, and that's the difference, isn't it? 8kun might not condone any of these things, officially, but it very much enables and desires them.

This kind of discourse is seen as the "price of freedom", its presence a demonstration of absolute tolerance and blind faith in freedom of speech. Facebook, reddit, MySpace and Twitter are more strictly moderated and impose actual terms of service on their users' freedom of expression.

But of course this also means the people most motivated to join networks that offer guarantees of free speech absolutism are those whose discourse is not tolerated by these mainstream alternatives. And their presence will almost guarantee an absence of "normies" who don't run into the limits of their freedom of speech on the moderated networks much and feel uncomfortable around the former group.

Heck, the only reason 8chan ever became large enough to be widely known was because 4chan evicted Gamergate. And 4chan isn't exactly known for its strict moderation and suppression of political views.

Re: The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway

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Post by withinboredom »

rowanG077 wrote: post #164
avian wrote: post #111

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> We reported the sites to both CF and Google, and to my knowledge, not a single site were removed before the people behind it took it down. As someone that tried reporting spam sites because they were using content scrapped from my website, I'm not surprised. Cloudflare has a policy that they will not stop providing their IP hiding/reverse proxy services to anyone, regardless of complaints. The best they do is forwa…

In fact I completely agree with that stance. It's not cloudfares job to police the content. They provide a simple service. If something is unlawful law enforcement should go after the owners.

And how, might I ask, do you propose to do that?

Re: The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway

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Post by iratewizard »

hnbad wrote: post #342
iratewizard wrote: post #330

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Facebook, reddit, MySpace and Twitter have all been linked to mass shootings and child pornography. None of these sites condone, enable or remotely desire such content.

> None of these sites condone, enable or remotely desire such content. Yeah, and that's the difference, isn't it? 8kun might not condone any of these things, officially, but it very much enables and desires them. This kind of discourse is seen as the "price of freedom", its presence a demonstration of absolute tolerance and blind faith in freedom of speech. Facebook, reddit, MySpace and Twitter are more strictly mode…

Do you know why 4chan evicted Gamergate?

Re: The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway

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Post by arthur2e5 »

yosamino wrote: post #231
avian wrote: post #111

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> We reported the sites to both CF and Google, and to my knowledge, not a single site were removed before the people behind it took it down. As someone that tried reporting spam sites because they were using content scrapped from my website, I'm not surprised. Cloudflare has a policy that they will not stop providing their IP hiding/reverse proxy services to anyone, regardless of complaints. The best they do is forwa…

> The best they do is forward your complaint to the owner of the website, who is free to ignore it. Or worse. Since I have no way to know beforehand who I would be dealing with, this is actively dangerous - what if the mobster running this site is having a bad day and choses to retaliate ? Also what a stupid fucking policy that is. Even if you are not legally compelled to block content, what is the point of actively…

The retaliation is quite real—CF keeps your entire e-mail address and name in there, so you are essentially doxxing yourself. Pretty sure 8chan posted a lot of the reports they got back in the day.

Re: The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway

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Post by franga2000 »

tlogan wrote: post #264
yosamino wrote: post #231

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> The best they do is forward your complaint to the owner of the website, who is free to ignore it. Or worse. Since I have no way to know beforehand who I would be dealing with, this is actively dangerous - what if the mobster running this site is having a bad day and choses to retaliate ? Also what a stupid fucking policy that is. Even if you are not legally compelled to block content, what is the point of actively…

I do not think that it is up to Google or CloudFlare to police the internet. If a site is doing something illegal then report it to appropriate gov agency. If gov agency does not anything then get involved into political process to fix that.

They're already removing things they don't like. I see no reason why they shouldn't remove things that are objectively 100% harmful.

Like seriously, is there a single person on the planet that's going to defend online scams? It's immoral, it's illegal, it benefits no one and harms thousands. And it's not like it's very hard to detect and block either.

Re: The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway

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Post by rowanG077 »

withinboredom wrote: post #343
rowanG077 wrote: post #164

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In fact I completely agree with that stance. It's not cloudfares job to police the content. They provide a simple service. If something is unlawful law enforcement should go after the owners.

And how, might I ask, do you propose to do that?

Law enforcement can get a warrant to get information to try and find them for example. They can hire security experts. They can do tons of things.

Re: The mermaid is taking over Google search in Norway

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Post by CRConrad »

eru wrote: post #193
rvba wrote: post #176

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For someone learning German as a foreign language separating the words would really help. Even if it leads to things like "Trink Wasser fur Hunde" (as mentioned in the Wikipedia article). Hyphens or spaces are still better than those long words...

Yes, I can see that. Pervasive hyphens would resolve most of the ambiguity and make it easier to learn. (But they also look kind of ugly.) Just be glad you ain't learning Turkish or Finnish, though.

I find the difficulty of learning Finnish is being consistently exaggerated on the Internet.

Source: Learned it as an adult myself.

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