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Re: Video game developers at Activision Blizzard say they'll walk out Wednesday

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Post by tstrimple »

ozarkerD wrote: post #219
FanaHOVA wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some extracts from the lawsuit: https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-labor-report/activision-...

Absolute degeneracy. I don’t understand how a professional workplace could devolve to this. I have trouble talking about non work matters for more than a few minutes, How do things get this far?

How does it happen? There are still people throughout this thread downplaying this and making it seem like it's not a big deal. People have been bringing up the issues of sexual harassment in our industry, but folks like James Damore have a lot of support in believing it's just that women are just less interested in technology and don't suffer from any discrimination. You've got literal incels on this site threatening violence and getting support for blaming their problems on feminism. The signs of this behavior are everywhere and women (in particular) have been talking about it for ages. Why has it been so easy to write them off? Efforts to stop these sorts of environments will get companies labeled as "going woke". To me this Activision / Blizzard situation is inevitable when so many of our communities are willfully blind to these behaviors and have been for decades. What isn't being reported on?

Re: Video game developers at Activision Blizzard say they'll walk out Wednesday

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Post by Kiro »

nineplay wrote: post #310
cletus wrote: post #233

If you haven't read the state of California's claims here you should. It's the result of a two year investigation and the claims are.. shocking. I want to make a point about "culture fit". "Culture fit" in a company typically comes down to "we like you" and the reason why people like other people is that they are like them. Similar age, background, whatever. It's why Stanford grads probably like other Stanford grads.…

> I want to make a point about "culture fit" "culture fit" is one of the biggest causes of workplace discrimination and I still see it pushed in 'hiring training' as perfectly valid criteria. Things I've seen teams consider "culture" - will the candidate go to our weekly study session at the micro-brewery? - will the candidate stay after work to play multi-player games with us? - is the candidate entertained by all t…

Is it discrimination if I own a company and only hire my friends who are into the same things as me? Serious question because I don't understand how that's different, if it is.

Re: Video game developers at Activision Blizzard say they'll walk out Wednesday

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

madamelic wrote: post #317
bitwize wrote: post #262

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ITYM Horizon: Forbidden West. They changed Aloy's face to make it less attractive and feminine since the first game, perhaps to check some "anti-sexualization" checkbox on some designer's list. No one had a problem with her appearance in the first game, but the sudden Seth Rogenization of her face was offputting, like an actor getting plastic surgery and looking not only worse, but very not like themself.

I hadn't heard that. I had seen that controversy but took it as the same issue coming up and more people complaining she wasn't conventionally attractive, rather than the studio 'dulling down' her looks on purpose. TIL. I guess I totally missed what Aloy looked like during the first game and didn't realize they had changed how she looked. To be honest, I actually like how she looks now. She looks like you'd expect so…

From a cursory glance at the comparison shot I'd say it looks like she got a bit older and her face saw a lot more direct sunlight. Pretty reasonable changes if you ask me.

Re: Video game developers at Activision Blizzard say they'll walk out Wednesday

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Post by bennysomething »

nineplay wrote: post #310
cletus wrote: post #233

If you haven't read the state of California's claims here you should. It's the result of a two year investigation and the claims are.. shocking. I want to make a point about "culture fit". "Culture fit" in a company typically comes down to "we like you" and the reason why people like other people is that they are like them. Similar age, background, whatever. It's why Stanford grads probably like other Stanford grads.…

> I want to make a point about "culture fit" "culture fit" is one of the biggest causes of workplace discrimination and I still see it pushed in 'hiring training' as perfectly valid criteria. Things I've seen teams consider "culture" - will the candidate go to our weekly study session at the micro-brewery? - will the candidate stay after work to play multi-player games with us? - is the candidate entertained by all t…

So if I'm hiring someone at what point am I allowed to use my own personal discretion? Am I allowed to dislike someone? Am I allowed to say I don't like them so please don't hire them?

Re: Video game developers at Activision Blizzard say they'll walk out Wednesday

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Post by foobarian »

himinlomax wrote: post #184
madamelic wrote: post #21

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> is the DFEH out of line, or is the industry just that broken? No chance DEFH is out of line. The tech industry is strongly biased in the favor of white men in my opinion and video games even more so, considering women playing video games only became socially acceptable a few years ago. It's still common for men to talk down to women on video games, to the point where the overwhelming majority of women do not use vo…

> It's still common for men to talk down to women on video game I only play games where you can't tell anyone's sex (Starcraft 2 for instance) and you get insulted all the time. You get insulted when you're playing badly, you get insulted when you're playing too well, you get insulted whether you're a man, a woman or a dog.

I tried playing Heroes of Newerth at some point, which was a DOTA clone with voice comms. Right in the first round I get told that I need to be raped and murdered by some punk. I didn't take it personally but that's a very bad onboarding experience and a good learning opportunity for game designers. It's also likely it's the type of game that attracts the more aggressive/testosterone driven player.

Contrast that to say World of Warcraft or LOTRO where most people are very nice, and any ladies that come up on voice comms are treated with respect. This is just anecdata I guess.

Re: Video game developers at Activision Blizzard say they'll walk out Wednesday

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Post by username90 »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #203
madamelic wrote: post #173

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> 'm not sure which game you're talking about, but I suspect you misunderstand the criticism. There have been thousands of female video game characters going back to the dawn of the industry. Many titles which prominently feature female characters have done very well (e.g.., Tomb Raider, Final Fantasy, etc). I'm guessing there has never been significant controversy because a video game featured a female character, th…

People also got mad about Tifa's bust size apparently being reduced to a more realistic level in FF7R. It's nuts that we just kind of accept this as a culture.

If 1% of a fanbase of 10 million gets mad then you have 100k angry people. And of those a percent or so will be insane people who likely will murder someone in real life at some point, its just statistics. And those one thousand insane people will create a lot of ruckus, but that doesn't mean their views are shared with the community in general.

Re: Video game developers at Activision Blizzard say they'll walk out Wednesday

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Post by vsareto »

nineplay wrote: post #310
cletus wrote: post #233

If you haven't read the state of California's claims here you should. It's the result of a two year investigation and the claims are.. shocking. I want to make a point about "culture fit". "Culture fit" in a company typically comes down to "we like you" and the reason why people like other people is that they are like them. Similar age, background, whatever. It's why Stanford grads probably like other Stanford grads.…

> I want to make a point about "culture fit" "culture fit" is one of the biggest causes of workplace discrimination and I still see it pushed in 'hiring training' as perfectly valid criteria. Things I've seen teams consider "culture" - will the candidate go to our weekly study session at the micro-brewery? - will the candidate stay after work to play multi-player games with us? - is the candidate entertained by all t…

What companies do those things? That actually sounds like fun.

The Star Wars lingo probably gets old though. It should really be Expanse lingo if they want to stay cool.

Re: Video game developers at Activision Blizzard say they'll walk out Wednesday

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Post by bennysomething »

dec0dedab0de wrote: post #265
cletus wrote: post #233

If you haven't read the state of California's claims here you should. It's the result of a two year investigation and the claims are.. shocking. I want to make a point about "culture fit". "Culture fit" in a company typically comes down to "we like you" and the reason why people like other people is that they are like them. Similar age, background, whatever. It's why Stanford grads probably like other Stanford grads.…

I want to make a point about "culture fit". "Culture fit" in a company typically comes down to "we like you" and the reason why people like other people is that they are like them. Similar age, background, whatever. There are plenty of people who like each other that have nothing in common. The idea that the reason people like people is because they are like them just feels ridiculous to me, but maybe I am an outlier…

I agree, people I like the most don't share most of my interests at all. Yet time and time again all I hear is that "not like me" means a different skin colour or gender. It's like race and gender are the only differences but at the same time I'm being told there's no differences between races and genders. Which is it?!

Re: Video game developers at Activision Blizzard say they'll walk out Wednesday

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

johncessna wrote: post #282
stnmtn wrote: post #140

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Peach was and still is just a damsel in distress in any non-sports mario game. Samus is covered up entirely by armor, and when she's not she's in a skin-tight suit that shows off every single curve Mrs. Pacman... I'll give you that one.

Peach was one of 4 playable characters in Super Mario world 2, released in 1989. The Samus reveal in Metroid is notable for the exact opposite of what you stated. There were no curves or skin tight anything. This continued with Super Metroid.

This is incorrect. Depending on the time you beat the game in, Samus would have progressively less clothing in the end:

https://metroid.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Metroid_endings#Metr...

Re: Video game developers at Activision Blizzard say they'll walk out Wednesday

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Post by tolbish »

Kiro wrote: post #342
nineplay wrote: post #310

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I want to make a point about "culture fit" "culture fit" is one of the biggest causes of workplace discrimination and I still see it pushed in 'hiring training' as perfectly valid criteria. Things I've seen teams consider "culture" - will the candidate go to our weekly study session at the micro-brewery? - will the candidate stay after work to play multi-player games with us? - is the candidate entertained by all t…

Is it discrimination if I own a company and only hire my friends who are into the same things as me? Serious question because I don't understand how that's different, if it is.

Serious answer: Yes, but it's legal discrimination. If you were doing so based on sex, race, or other protected class it would be illegal discrimination.
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