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iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by bobberkarl »

spicybright wrote: post #326
ksec wrote: post #323

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>I wish we had a reasonable alternative You know... since 2017 when I started getting wary of Apple due to Qualcomm, IMG and Services Strategy. I sometimes wish Microsoft are still in the Mobile race. Trying find some synergy between Desktop PC gaming, Xbox and Mobile. Surface Phone. Porting some of their work from Xbox. But unlike Microsoft and Google. Apple has no inherent weakness in their business and strategy. T…

I wish they made a Zune HD phone. The visual design of the UI was seriously gorgeous.

The original Zune windows app is still head and shoulders above spotify.

They had: - great song management - better than YouTube song discovery (looking into playlists with the same song) - incredible ui (skins) - small memory footprint

I wonder who worked on that team and what they are up to today. And/or if Microsoft could open source it.

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Post by pitaj »

thatguy0900 wrote: post #327
NmAmDa wrote: post #317

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You can install firefox beta or nightly and use developer tools access to add extension collection from your choice which will replace these recommended extensions. Note : you must create this collection on firefox addon or find existing one as you will need the collection ID.

Does anyone know what the benifit is to Firefox to create such a roundabout workaround? Why Google makes things difficult and obscure is clear, but why does Firefox care what add-ons you install on your phone?

Not all of the APIs on mobile are production ready yet, so these options are for developers to try their add-ons.

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Post by rchaud »

bpye wrote: post #292
lilboiluvr69 wrote: post #287

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I am very happy with my current setup after flashing my new One Plus 9 Pro with LineageOS for microG ( https://lineage.microg.org/ ). It's LineageOS with application spoofing and comes pre-baked with microG. I'm able to use all the standard apps (Uber, games, etc) without a Google account. I use Aurora instead of the Google Play Store, local maps as my GPS back-end, and my phone only contains the apps I actually used…

I’ve tried that path before but SafetyNet makes it hard. I can’t use my banking app for example, and for better or for worse, I wouldn’t be able to access my work email either.

I remember being able to do mobile banking on a website on my BlackBerry. It must have been 2010 or '11, before banks began rolling out native apps.

I don't understand why that's not possible now. Responsive websites are basically 1:1 in functionality w/ desktop, there is no need to have separate, gimped "m.bank.com" sites anymore.

End result of this is that I stopped doing banking on my phone, and 90% of my use cases are now served by F-Droid or by apps not on the Play store.

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Post by iNate2000 »

spicybright wrote: post #326
ksec wrote: post #323

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I wish we had a reasonable alternative You know... since 2017 when I started getting wary of Apple due to Qualcomm, IMG and Services Strategy. I sometimes wish Microsoft are still in the Mobile race. Trying find some synergy between Desktop PC gaming, Xbox and Mobile. Surface Phone. Porting some of their work from Xbox. But unlike Microsoft and Google. Apple has no inherent weakness in their business and strategy. T…

I wish they made a Zune HD phone. The visual design of the UI was seriously gorgeous.

I still think Windows Phone was good. Perhaps they should have marketed it as a Zune phone.

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Post by ksec »

realusername wrote: post #133
donkarma wrote: post #119

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Do you need a phone?

When now you have banks & governement apps, I'd say that falls down under the definition of required / public infrastructure.

Yes. One of the thing not mentioned or posted on HN. In China where there are flooding going on, a whole city with no power, and mobile network. Since their whole infrastructure was setup with Digital payment ( WeChat Pay or AliPay ) and dont use any cash, they could not use it without Mobile Network. Authentication and other Government usage also requires an App and unusable.

Most people act as if Mobile Phone and Apps doesn't matter. It does and increasingly so. I think the argument would have some ground in 2015 or 2018. But in 2020 and forward looking into 2025 and 2030 there is no denying, phone is acting like an infrastructure, whether we like it or not.

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Post by post_break »

user-the-name wrote: post #164
LucidLynx wrote: post #113

How funny it is to remove this app because it "loads executable" as they released Swift Playground years ago... Plus the new feature of creating and packaging your iOS / iPadOS app + uploading it, directly on the iPad. Apple seems to contradict its own rules since a few years now.

The rules include a limited exception for educational purposes, which Swift Playgrounds also falls under.

I'd consider Oregon trail educational, but that's just me.

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Post by DennisAleynikov »

thatguy0900 wrote: post #327
NmAmDa wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can install firefox beta or nightly and use developer tools access to add extension collection from your choice which will replace these recommended extensions. Note : you must create this collection on firefox addon or find existing one as you will need the collection ID.

Does anyone know what the benifit is to Firefox to create such a roundabout workaround? Why Google makes things difficult and obscure is clear, but why does Firefox care what add-ons you install on your phone?

addons are usually hyper tunnel visioned around desktop users and almost none of their ui's work on mobile the way the developers of those extensions originally intended.

ublock and the other featured apps essentially had to adapt to the mobile firefox way of doing stuff and opening settings in a separate mobile ff tab etc.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by ksec »

sersi wrote: post #202
megous wrote: post #154

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The only thing I wasn't able to do without so far is SMS 2nd factor. Dumbphone is enough for that. I don't mind if banks/govs require use of some protocol. But forcing use of specific apps goes against past achievements to make public institutions use open formats and protocols, so I reject that where possible, or complain. It should not be acceptable. I still remember times when people had to pirate MS office to be…

My banks no longer allow SMS 2fa. The only 2fa available are those through their mobile app. So without android or iOS banking will quickly become impossible. And I wish I could just switch banks but in some situation it's not possible and in the country I currently live in, it seems that now no banks support 2fa SMS for any transaction above a tiny amount anyway.

In additional to those comments on banking and 2FA, these banking apps also requires certain version of Android and IOS ( rightly so because of security concern ). Which means you are now, in some way forced to upgrade your phone every x years if your phone no longer gets any software update.

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Post by asddubs »

grishka wrote: post #338
newscracker wrote: post #174

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I agree with most of your points. > Choose Apple, get marginally better privacy I disagree with the word “marginally” here. Compared to Android, it’s far better and keeps staying ahead (while Android may try to catch up for certain features and controls).

The problem with iOS is that it's built on the assumption that you can't not trust Apple and their services. An iPhone literally trusts Apple more than it trusts you. It won't let you past the initial setup unless it gets an okay from the mothership. On Android you could at least disable all the Google stuff.

kind of, if you go through 15 different obscure menus and hope you haven't missed any, and some stuff like push notifications you can't not go through google anyway. Google also forced manufacturers to make the location toggle more obscure.

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Post by userbinator »

flohofwoe wrote: post #141
pibechorro wrote: post #124

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Apple has always been like this. Better hope they dont decide to throttle down your current hardware when they release a thinner one next year and deem yours obsolete.

This only started with the iPhone. Apple has been around much longer and was a regular computer company before which treated their users like adults.

Apple has been trying to take control of users ever since the original Macintosh with its attitude of hiding things from them.

DOS came with a debugger that let you modify and create your own software. The Mac didn't.

Planned obsolescence was also not something new --- the infamous Lisa was designed with clock hardware and software that couldn't make it past 1995, for a machine released in 1983. (The PC AT, from 1984, has an RTC that went to at least 2000, and is still a design in use today.)

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