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Can't we just go back to Windows 7 UI and UX with modern Windows 10 feature and security enhancements?

It's hard to overstate just how bad the Windows 10 UI is compared to 7. Just look at this example of how Windows 7 visually shows you the differences between the various desktop stretching/fitting options, and Windows 10 leaves you guessing:

http://www.wwddfd.com/plushpuffin/personalize-desktop-7vs10....

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It's mind boggling to me, that Microsoft went with a redesign here. Personally the Windows UI never bothered me that much. I just feel like that they could have focused more on things like, stability, the search functionality or, and I'm not even kidding, printer and scanner support.

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A second-hand Windows 10 Pro license costs like $25 (and used to be $5). That's a pretty small price for a substantially better experience.

This is false. A pirated Windows 10 Pro license costs like $25. These are not legitimate licenses, they're overprovisioned enterprise keys being sold in violation of the license agreement. And yes, they register differently in Windows, and can be easily detected. (Command is slmgr /dli) Like, if you want to pirate software, go pirate software. If you're going to pay someone on a per-install basis for pirated keys, I'…

Wait, are free pirated keys that work as reliably as paid technically-pirated enterprise keys and don't require downloading some probably-comes-pre-botnetted "hacked" Windows installer, but work flawlessly with the installer downloaded straight from Microsoft, readily available? Asking for a friend.

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> " Microsoft is also integrating Microsoft Teams directly into Windows 11, for both consumers and commercial users. " Not that I have any objections to Teams per se but attempting to drive adoption by bundling got Microsoft in trouble in the IE era; didn't they learn their lesson? Either way, probably the first thing I'll be doing after a fresh install of Windows 11 is uninstalling Teams.

Eh, I do have misgivings about Teams and such tight Teams integration since my company chose it as its default communication platform. My biggest beef is how limited I am as user with configuration ( the notifications are too big for my taste -- and I can either choose that they show or don't) and that UI somehow feels worse than webex.

I'm on MacOS, not Windows, but I really concur with you on the notifications. They're huge, they stay on screen too long, and they can't be dismissed early. I hate that they chose not to go with the standard MacOS notification system.

Another MacOS annoyance: Teams seems to exist in every virtual desktop, so even if the main window is in (say) desktop 3 and I'm in desktop 2, if I cmd-tab to Teams it won't take me to desktop 3. I have to manually switch desktops to get back to Teams.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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I really do like Windows, but it has a lot of issues for me: Pushing its users to Microsoft Accounts, telemetry, ads, bloatware it automatically installs, and last but not least inconsistencies all the way through the OS - and adding another design-layer with windows 11 wont help that. I think microsoft really need to address some of this and get back to the needs of "prosumers". I personally want a slim but nice looking OS.

The only thing keeping me away from Linux at this point are games. I know, Proton opened huge possibilities but unfortunately it is not enough in my case. Either games won't work because of DRM (e.g. FallGuys), or the game itself runs fine but needed mods to run online-multiplayer are not possible on Linux. (e.g. Command & Conquer 3 + CnC-Online)

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> and moved it for seemingly no reason There is one good reason: some screens are getting really wide.

I swear nobody at Microsoft (and fewer people than I'd hoped on HN) actually talk to non-technical people that use their products. If they'd just added the option to move it I'd have no qualms but they decided to make it default and I'd be willing to put money down that the overwhelming majority of Windows users do not have super widescreen displays.

> I swear nobody at Microsoft (and fewer people than I'd hoped on HN) actually talk to non-technical people that use their products.

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> If they'd just added the option to move it I'd have no qualms [...]

I keep mentally blaming this on designers who want to be Steve Jobs (edit:)and Henry Ford and do daring leaps in design.

Edit: I've seen quotes like "if I asked people what they wanted they would say a faster horse" a few times. There's a time for that but most of the time it is time for boring (not really, I love much of it if I'm allowed to) work on getting things right: make it work in all major browsers, make sure tabs work, make sure it works fast etc.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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they are integrating teams, onedrive, office, microsoft 365 stuff directly into windows 11. Doesn't that spark anti-trust concerns? Think about Microsoft was fined for anti-trust for integrating internet explorer into windows and making it the default. Looks like every platform holder is just using the dominance of their platform to push their other stuff.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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40% smaller Windows updates? I think they are missing the point. It’s not the size of the download, it’s the time it takes for Windows to work out its package dependency treee, it’s ridiculous SxS system that was only ever a massive kluge, and the incredible number of forced reboots.

If it takes me no more than five minutes to run an apt update && apt upgrade —-yes with no reboots, how on earth is it that Microsoft is still so behind the eight ball? Note that apt upgrades everything in minutes, whilst Windows does not.

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This is a shame. I always was the odd one who put his task bar to the right, but it makes so much more sense if you have many windows open. I can scan over the titles much faster vertically. There's more space for task tray icons and I could easily add multiple rows of quick start icons in a folder. [1] For some reason nowadays design trumps everything. I understand, it has to look good and I like how Windows 11 look…

Why right instead of left as text is ltr?

Somehow it is easier for me. Can it be that I can drag the mouse faster to the right as a right-hander? Maybe because the cursor is more often on the right, because of scrollbars on the right side? Maybe because many programs have their vertical menu on the left side (Outlook, Teams, etc) and therefore the left side would be too busy?

But maybe I am just used to it.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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So to summerize what they have announced (so far) - * A new look task bar. Centred similar to the macOS dock by default but lacking the ability to position on any other screen edge? * A new start menu design * Windows have rounded corners * Some built in apps such as the Xbox app and Microsoft Store have been redesigned (Xbox Game Pass and xCloud built into the Xbox app) * New touch keyboard (SwiftKey?) with improved…

they are integrating teams, onedrive, office, microsoft 365 stuff directly into windows 11. Doesn't that spark anti-trust concerns? Think about Microsoft was fined for anti-trust for integrating internet explorer into windows and making it the default. Looks like every platform holder is just using the dominance of their platform to push their other stuff.
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