LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator • Hacker News Board

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Post by tzs » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 1:48 AM UTC

drbacon wrote: post #233

koolhaas wrote: post #136

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Did the church site have to turn away elderly people, or other people who cleared CA guidelines, at the end of each day?

I am also super interested in the answer to this particular question. I know a lot of people who waited for surplus/standby shots at the end of the day outside clinics in SF. Anecdotally, a lot of my coworkers got early vaccines that way. As a non-essential worker with no risk factors, I felt that my contribution to the pandemic was to stay home and wait until my turn. I did, by the way, wait until the vaccine was ge…

> I am also super interested in the answer to this particular question. I know a lot of people who waited for surplus/standby shots at the end of the day outside clinics in SF. Anecdotally, a lot of my coworkers got early vaccines that way.

How did that work with the two-dose vaccines? If you were not eligible under the then current phase but got the first shot from surplus (which is entirely legitimate), were you exempted from phase requirements for the second shot?

Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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Post by ping_pong » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 1:49 AM UTC

dfabulich wrote: post #300

mbgerring wrote: post #274

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So just so everyone has the full context: Oakland opened up its vaccination sites to more people on a shorter timeline than the rest of the state, in certain ZIP codes with disproportionately poor residents, in order to get vaccines to those disproportionately poor residents. I know this because this is how several of my friends who live in West Oakland got vaccinated ahead of the eligibility opening up in the rest o…

I got vaccinated at one of these West Oakland "first come, first serve" vaccination sites back in March. They were administering J&J vaccines (which do not thaw) with no residency check, and not even a poster saying "please don't line up unless you live in this neighborhood." No statement of intent at all. Others standing in line asked coordinators walking the line, "Am I eligible here?" and the coordinators responde…

Gotta love the rationalization. In March there was a lot of issues with supply of vaccines and the program was intended to specifically target underprivileged people because COVID is drastically affecting them more than people.

But you said to yourself, fuck their rules, I found a news article that justifies me jumping the line. So you hacked the system and jumped the line and got yourself vaccinated ahead of someone who could have gotten their shot that day.

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Post by im3w1l » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 1:52 AM UTC

ezekg wrote: post #31

rafaelero wrote: post #18

It's a bit distressing how organizations try so hard to keep a good reputation all the time. I mean, is it really that bad to publically admit that you are composed of people with questionable morals? For example, in the first company I used to work, I was always bitching about how things could improve. I got fired because I was "bringing the moral down" and was "working against the company". I could see why they wou…

People don't know how to disagree anymore. It's disheartening, because I like a good disagreement and the deep debates that can come out of them ... that is, as long as the conversation is void of emotional temper-tantrums (and in a lot of cases these days, fear of cancel-culture.)

Idk if people ever disagreed politely? After all they had wars in the past. And feuds. And drunken brawls.

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Post by simonbw » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 1:52 AM UTC

cavisne wrote: post #278

walrus01 wrote: post #181

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> 2. I asked them about eligibility and told them I don't clear CA guidelines. They told me it's first come, first served with an ID showing I am 18+. There are a number of 'special' vaccination sites in the USA which are indeed vaccinating first come, first served people without going through any special qualifications/eligibility check. For instance FEMA was, and still is, running a mass vaccination site in Yakima,…

This was actually fake news, Yakima fema site had the same eligibility as elsewhere in the state https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/washingtoni... A good example of how confusing and micro managed the eligibility charade was.

I live in Seattle. What I remember is that they advertised that they were following the same eligibility requirements as everywhere else in the state, but they were having such trouble getting enough people to show up that they put out requests for anyone over 18 to show up. I know a few people who drove out there to get their shots a couple weeks ahead of when they would be eligible to make an appointment elsewhere in the state. None of them lied about their eligibility factors.

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Post by dang » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 1:53 AM UTC

serf wrote: post #316

dang wrote: post #295

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I don't see that alternative formulation as so different really? I'm sure you have a good point, I'm just not sure how to do it better. I needed to give enough of an explanation to satisfy people's curiosity at least a little bit even though I can't satisfy it for real. I also needed to make sure that my comment had enough information in it to answer (let's say) the top 10 obvious objections, or it would have brought…

>not everything on Twitter is true >I'm sure you have a good point. I'm just not sure how to do it better. Probably without the allusion that the tweeter isn't telling the truth, to be blunt.

To say that the submitted title was inaccurate is already to say that.

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Post by NicoJuicy » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 1:54 AM UTC

neonological wrote: post #325

dang wrote: post #304

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> I thought HN was purely community driven with only comments being moderated HN is a curated site, always has been, and has never claimed otherwise. It is an interaction between three subsystems: community, software, and moderators. All three are necessary. If you or anyone would like to know more, here are some links to past explanations to start with. If there are still questions after familiarizing yourself with…

>That is obviously not at all what I said. You said, and I quote: "Normally, of course, we'd downweight this sort of petty drama. " So I responded with statement that at its' core means that any biased entity would say this to protect their own reputation regardless of whether it's true or not. I'm not saying what you said isn't true, but given your position there is conflict of interest. This is what someone in your…

Please chill. If you've never moderated a forum, you should start realizing that moderation is key to having a good community.

Cherry-picking statements and acting like this is not appreciated.

Fyi: I've been banned once and thought it was justified. They've done an amazing job to keep the community healthy and that's really hard to do.

What Dang mentioned seems pretty clear: we won't moderate this because it involves us, but this isn't the place for gossip.

YC has > 150 companies per year. Not everything is perfect, not everything is known and people will always try to say their POV of the story. That's life, we'll see how this goes, but I'd rather see it on Reddit than here.

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 1:54 AM UTC

ignoramous wrote: post #198

axiosgunnar wrote: post #172

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Why would people have issues with you simply posting you...went and got a jab? Is there more to the story? Sorry genuinely curious, not trying to put fuel on the fire

> Why would people have issues with you simply posting you...went and got a jab? Is there more to the story? From the tweets now deleted, looks like the internal bookface post in question wasn't all that popular and got roundly criticized. At least it got 0 upvotes and every single response told him he was wrong. Doesn't seem like he learned his lesson, however it's clear almost nobody else approves of this mentality…

Interesting. I can still see these "deleted" tweets when I retrieve JSON from the command line. I do not like using Twitter's user interface, especially the way it uses Javascript, so I wrote a quick shell script called 1.sh to read Twitter without using a graphical web browser.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27056734

To read the JSON, I have been experimenting with json_reformat from https://github.com/lloyd/yajl

   1.sh > 1.json

   sed -n /{\"data\"/p 1.json|json_reformat|sed  -n -e 's/ *//' \ 
   -e '/created_at/p;/sation_id_str/p;/full_text/p'|grep -B2 full_text|less

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Post by asquabventured » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 1:55 AM UTC

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #308

mbgerring wrote: post #274

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So just so everyone has the full context: Oakland opened up its vaccination sites to more people on a shorter timeline than the rest of the state, in certain ZIP codes with disproportionately poor residents, in order to get vaccines to those disproportionately poor residents. I know this because this is how several of my friends who live in West Oakland got vaccinated ahead of the eligibility opening up in the rest o…

Agree. Really not tooting my own horn but I qualified very early for the vaccine because I am a “farm worker” and while I really do work at a farm and all employees qualified early, I’m actually a robotics engineer with no necessary contact between me and those that tend the fields. I have an isolated office and I work alone. I felt that if I ever decided to get the shot because of my employment as a “farm worker”, t…

Shot in the arm as soon as it is offered saves lives by being one less person that will spread the virus to someone vulnerable.

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Post by kjs3 » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 1:56 AM UTC

Permit wrote: post #134

dasickis wrote: post #120

I'm the person this original tweet was about. None of you know any of the internal details but what I can state is that Paul has no idea what he's talking about and later admits to the fact I wasn't lying. Here's the order of events: 1. I went to a neighborhood clinic in Oakland, CA that's literally next door to my house, I can see the church from my window. Paul lives in NYC which is on the opposite end of the count…

Your account may very well be biased but it astonishes me how many HN commenters are willing to chime in while knowing next to nothing about what actually took place. I know next to nothing and as such would typically hesitate to comment. Others appear to know next to nothing and appear very interested in sharing their opinions here, and I don’t quite understand why...

I assume by 'astonished' you mean 'totally not surprised'.

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Post by dang » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 1:56 AM UTC

bebop wrote: post #331

dang wrote: post #210

The submitted title was "Y Combinator kicks out Paul Biggar over a tweet". That is inaccurate, so in keeping with the HN guidelines (" Please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don't editorialize. " https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html ), I've replaced the title with the tweet text. That's the standard thing we do with titles, when people post Twitter links. Much as I'd love to,…

I think your post could have not included: “Much as I'd love to, it's not my place to say why the original title was inaccurate, so I'll just remind you all that there are two or more sides to every story and not everything on Twitter is true.” And “Normally, of course, we would downweight this sort of petty drama.” And could have avoided unhelpful conflict in the threads below. You sort of threw your opinion out wit…

I hear you, but both of those sentences are there for a reason. Without the first I'd be getting lots of "how is it inaccurate?" responses, and without the second I'd be getting protests about moderation practices. My intention was to give enough information (I'm not saying it's a lot) to preempt avalanches of predictable objections. I'm sure I could have done it better, though, because this was far from what Scott and I used to call a "splash-free dive".