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Google can ban your Android app if they think you’ve clicked on your own ads

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Post by matkoniecz »

lupire wrote: post #283
matkoniecz wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And in turn people are unwilling to pay for fairly good reasons. I decided to pay for one of app with premium features (my the first payment in Google Play). What happened? App was "redesigned" two weeks later with features that I paid for removed. What caused me to not pay for anything else, why I will gladly pay for software which I can download and keep running even if new version is crippled. For example yesterda…

So you'd prefer I pay a subscription fee, so you can stop paying when the product goes bad?

I am also really unwilling to pay that, "forever" disappeared in two weeks, "yearly" would disappear in the same way.

Maybe if it would really, relay low (below 1$) but that in turn is not sustainable at all.

In short, I really see no good way right now to deal with paid apps. Both as an user and as a potential author.

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Post by varispeed »

Sander_Marechal wrote: post #150
BMorearty wrote: post #127

Four months ago a friend of mine had his Google account suspended with a vague message about a terms of service violation. He escalated and appealed it with my help. It was no use. He lost everything. Files. Photos. Email. Calendar. Even his business domain registrations. He was paying for Google services like YouTube and storage. He couldn’t even get a download of his data. This is why I never used Google Cloud. I’v…

If he is in Europe he can probably force Google to allow him to download his data under GDPR

Have you tried to use your GDPR rights and complain if they were not delivered? You are most likely get a template response, completely irrelevant to your complaint. Then few more templates when you try to "escalate" and finally you get no replies. That's how those big companies are serious about GDPR. Then if you try to complain to one of the body responsible for GDPR they'll likely say if you don't like the service, delete your account and no further action will be done. GDPR is one of those all sizzle but no stake.

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Post by toss1 »

CGamesPlay wrote: post #7

I'd extend this even further: never use a single account for more than one purpose. Create a separate account at the same company for the other purpose. Some examples: - Every product/project you manage should be on a separate account on Google, Facebook, Amazon, etc. - Nothing tied to your consumer accounts should be used for anything business related. - Your Amazon shopping account and your AWS account should defin…

Yup

This is also why I NEVER use "Log In with Google" on any other service or site. I also just realized that even using the gmail address as the contact/backup is a bad idea, as if the acct gets reset and I no longer have access to that email, it's unrecoverable (exit's stage left making task to change all acct contacts off of Google..).

Also, seems from what I've read elsewhere, that the threshold for banning is as low as a single click on a known machine. this means that you can't even do a legitimate check of your own adverts.

In essence, this means that the Googles and Facebooks of the world are working to connect and consolidate identity information, and we now must work extra hard to dis-aggregate it. Seems there's an opportunity in this space to simplify and automate parts of identity fragmentation...

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Post by koluna »

ryanjshaw wrote: post #263
koluna wrote: post #102

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No, they won’t. They can close any accounts without a notice or reason. https://www.helpwithmybank.gov/help-topics/bank-accounts/ope...

"If you believe your account was wrongfully closed, you can file a written complaint with the Office of the Comptroller's (OCC) Customer Assistance Group."

Yes, and with Google you can also appeal. Problem is the same, though - you don’t know why the decision was made and don’t have the full view of the problem.

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Post by alex_c »

skinkestek wrote: post #266
londons_explore wrote: post #250

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> getting links to download stuff takes more than enough time to get you to forget it. Building takeout archives is incredibly expensive for Google. Do that just a few times and you might have wiped out years of profit Google made off you. Thats because most data in your Google account (eg. a random email or a photo you took in 2013) is only accessed once and then never again. Storage systems are designed for that. Y…

Aha, that explains a lot of course. Still: why make it so hard to get the archives once they are generated?

I just found out about Google Takeout through this thread.

I was able to schedule it to do backups every 2 months for 1 year, and upload the backups directly to my Dropbox account.

If it works as advertised, I'm pretty happy with that!

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Post by h0h0h0h0111 »

blibble wrote: post #47
o-__-o wrote: post #43

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> Creating a subsidiary business for every type of Google account you have would be quite expensive Costs roughly $1000/yr to run a properly sheltered LLC. Just saying, that’s a low barrier to overcome for any company turning modest revenue.

why so expensive? in the UK it's £13/year (under $20)

Is it even per year? I thought the fee was just upon first registration

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Post by Joker_vD »

JulianMorrison wrote: post #334
sneak wrote: post #328

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> If you want to sell Android apps, you are. No one is forced to sell Android apps, therefore, no one is forced to do business with Google.

Well sure, they could go flip burgers instead.

The parent's comment is so infuriating: yes, you can chose something else instead of Google, but it hardly matters because all of them are more or less equally terrible. Which, I guess, only makes sense in the competitive market: way too terrible or way too pleasant entities go bust (for slightly different reasons), what's left are entities that are just "good enough", and there is not much reason for them to try and improve the quality.

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Post by driverdan »

CGamesPlay wrote: post #7

I'd extend this even further: never use a single account for more than one purpose. Create a separate account at the same company for the other purpose. Some examples: - Every product/project you manage should be on a separate account on Google, Facebook, Amazon, etc. - Nothing tied to your consumer accounts should be used for anything business related. - Your Amazon shopping account and your AWS account should defin…

While I agree with the suggestion it is explicitly not allowed on some platforms.

We recently had this issue with Apple. We wanted to create a separate account for App Store Connect to use with automated builds. Apple locked the account and required identification scans. Our VPE submitted his own info and it was rejected. For now we're stuck using someone's personal account.

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Post by kps »

oneplane wrote: post #320
paxys wrote: post #35

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While I get what you are saying, this is sounding more and more like an abusive relationship. "Getting beaten by your husband? Try not being around him when he is drunk." At some point we have to face the reality that the tech ecosystem needs some serious fixing, for both consumers and developers.

It's likely not 'tech' but abusive customer interaction practises. Don't need tech for that, just an a-hole with an MBA.

When the only tool you have is an MBA, every customer looks like a nail.

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Post by fsflover »

themolecularman wrote: post #57
jaimex2 wrote: post #2

If there's a good alternative never use Google anything. The sole fact that there is no appeal system to account shutdowns and the way they just kill services at random should be enough reason for anyone.

> If there's a good alternative never use Google anything. Brave instead of Chrome. Duck Duck Go instead of Google. Proton Mail instead of Gmail. The only thing I haven't been able to replace is YouTube. That's a tricky one because it's the content creators that keep me locked into it.

> The only thing I haven't been able to replace is YouTube.

https://joinpeertube.org/

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