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Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by wiether »

atat7024 wrote: post #265
AlexC04 wrote: post #238

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I'm not certain that tyrants pay their employees $100 million. He is being more than fairly compensated. They don't have to host his white nationalist content. They pay him handsomely for the privilege of removing the episodes where he uncritically nods along with the likes of Stephan Moleneaux and Alex Jones.

Downvote away, but without some public platform, you'll never understand and combat these people. See: Hells Angels interviews on primetime TV in the 70s-80s etc at the peak of the fear surrounding them.

The public platform being the Internet. Nobody forced Rogan to move their content to a closed platform like Spotify. Before that they seemed to be able to discuss what they wanted with who they wanted. But instead of their freedom of content production, they picked the money. That's as simple as that. If they want to keep producing "freedom" content they just have to break the contract (and give back some of the money) or produce under another name on self owned platform (and build back the community).

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by illustriousbear »

HackerNews usually: But they're a private company, they can do what they want!!!

Reality is Spotify and other companies are trying to corner the podcast market, this is going to lead to more censorship in this space. You might be inclined to say creators can just avoid these platforms but it will become harder not to use those platforms when looking for an audience.

Rogan despite portraying a right leaning / freedom of speech angle doesn't actually really care so it's not surprising he just grabbed the money and accepted censorship.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by alkonaut »

prepend wrote: post #312
alkonaut wrote: post #185

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> I'm a grown adult, I can decide what I want to listen to I'm also a grown adult. I can stop paying money to those that host content with Alex Jones (and indirectly basically pay Alex Jones). Not sure I'm representative or part of a larger group than those that want to pay Spotify to hear Alex Jones. Hard to say. > If they find so much of the show unpalatable, why did they make the deal in the first place? Completel…

> I can stop paying money to those that host content with Alex Jones (and indirectly basically pay Alex Jones) If you won’t use a service that lets you make custom playlists just because they also serve stuff that you don’t like to other people, and others do that, we’re going to only have terrible content. Will you not shop at a bookstore that sells Alex Jones books? Will you not ride on a bus that allows Alex Jones…

I think there is a small but important difference when Spotify enters the kind of agreement they did with JRE, effectively becoming his publisher. I see them as more responsible for his content than e.g the lyrics of any song in their catalog.

> Will you not shop at a bookstore that sells Alex Jones books?

It depends. I’m not going to judge a store by having a large selection of books including things I disagree with. But if the store has a huge display of Jones books on a big table in the center? An Alex Jones book signing is taking place in the store? Yeah I’m probably going elsewhere.

The risk here I think is that people like Alex Jones are included in what we call “the political spectrum”. He’s not part of it. Booting him isn’t a political stance. He’s not some voice of right wing politics or even extreme right or “alt right”.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by alkonaut »

sn_master wrote: post #323
alkonaut wrote: post #177

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I (N=1) would seriously consider cancelling my Spotify subscription if Spotify kept pushing Alex Jones. It's not that far fetched.

What do you mean by "pushing"? Recommending him in your home page, with no option to disable the said recommendations? Or just hosting him at all on their platform? Do you have the same opinion about YouTube, which has every political spectrum and its polar opposite on the same platform?

I mean “sponsoring” or “enabling” to a level beyond just existing in their catalog does.

I think it’s great that YouTube, Facebook, Twitter etc also ban Alex Jones yes. I see the risk of tech platforms acting as giant censors to be the smaller problem here.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by born_a_skeptic »

fareesh wrote: post #138
idownvoted wrote: post #69

Whom does Spotify try to aquisice here? Their users? Their content creators? Or rather their staff? All 3 groups could be possible reasons. But given how little median content creators matter to the organization, users and staff are more likely. But if it were the users, then why buy Joe Rogan's users at all? Especially at a record braking price? This makes me believe it's more likely staff. If that is the case one h…

Society in the west seems to not know how to deal with this new variety of bullying. By cloaking their bullying in the veil of righteousness, bullies are able to engage in self-aggrandisement to satisfy the tyrannical need to shape the world in the image that they desire, without engaging in the civilized discourse and debate that would preclude such decision making. The justification thrown around is that the cause…

well said...

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by imgabe »

LordDragonfang wrote: post #338
JPKab wrote: post #317

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Anyone who actually listens to his podcast knows that it's not true that he promotes hate. I love how you resort to the "many people feel" standard with a hand wave. Many people where I live feel that cell phone towers give them cancer so we need to get rid of the cell phone towers on that burden of proof. Many people feel like the moon landing was faked. Many people think educating women is heretical. Shall we surre…

>Many people feel like the moon landing was faked. Isn't Joe Rogan one of those people? Hasn't he had at least three moon landing deniers on his podcast and agreed with them?

No, he hasn't denied the moon landing as far as I know. I haven't heard the episodes you're referring to, but he's had other guests like Neil DeGrasse Tyson and Elon Musk who have discussed space travel and he's never expressed any skepticism about it.

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Post by akvadrako »

k_bx wrote: post #51

Off-topic but still makes me sad: Spotify removed all episodes of Joe Rogan for me by removing podcasts feature from Ukrainian (and not only) users. I’m a paid user btw. Worst part is that since JRE is free for such large part of internet users, it’s impossible to find on torrents unless it’s Elon Musk or similar. Sigh.

I do wish there was a torrent tracker for podcasts.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by prepend »

alkonaut wrote: post #343
prepend wrote: post #312

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> I can stop paying money to those that host content with Alex Jones (and indirectly basically pay Alex Jones) If you won’t use a service that lets you make custom playlists just because they also serve stuff that you don’t like to other people, and others do that, we’re going to only have terrible content. Will you not shop at a bookstore that sells Alex Jones books? Will you not ride on a bus that allows Alex Jones…

I think there is a small but important difference when Spotify enters the kind of agreement they did with JRE, effectively becoming his publisher. I see them as more responsible for his content than e.g the lyrics of any song in their catalog. > Will you not shop at a bookstore that sells Alex Jones books? It depends. I’m not going to judge a store by having a large selection of books including things I disagree with…

Spotify isn’t promoting Alex Jones with a big table in the center. It’s just part of the catalog.

My concern with your reasoning, and if enough people think similarly to you, is that people don’t like lots of people.

So if people skip a bookstore because they have a JK Rowling signing, they lost customers. And if people skip for a Ben Shapiro signing. And if they skip for a Hemingway signing (raised for the dead through necromancy just for a signing). Etc etc

Bookstores like money so rationally they’ll stop having signings from people who could alienate customers.

I like having lots of choices for books and worry that eventually there won’t be stores that carry the books I want to read. So I tolerate the availability of lots of stuff because that leads to books I like being available.

Spotify being responsible for lyrics is a bad thing. I remember in the 80s and 90s when Congress tried to pressure music labels to censor lyrics on albums. That sucked. Not just because it was Congress but because it made it harder for artists to express their ideas. Companies like Walmart would only carry censored versions or not carry albums at all. That sucked.

People were butthurt about curse words and devil references back then. Being butthurt about gay frogs and Sandy hook stupid conspiracy theories is today’s version, replacing alt right for satanists and cop killers.

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Post by kodah »

JPKab wrote: post #263
ljm wrote: post #188

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> Spotify exists to make investors money by creating value for the listeners. Okay, sure. > [...the rest of the post...] I don't see how this connects. > your opinions and the opinions of the employees don't matter But your opinion does? It must matter to you, since you spent a few paragraphs on it.

My opinion matters to Spotify executives only so much as me being a paying customer of their platform. They are free to make whatever decisions they want, but are obligated by law to make decisions that benefit their investors. If you are a paying Spotify customer, then yes, your opinion matters to the executives. Expressing my opinion on a message board isn't a claim that the executives should listen to me.

> They are free to make whatever decisions they want, but are obligated by law to make decisions that benefit their investors.

I'm unaware of any law which requires a business to make money for investors. A business can promise to pay dividends and they can speculate on where their stock can be at a future date, but there is no legal recourse if they lose money.

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Post by hanselot »

imgabe wrote: post #313
slg wrote: post #304

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You are arguing against points I never made. I didn't accuse him of transphobia. I said he can't go a few months without new accusations of transphobia. That is just a fact. If you want, you can go through those Google results from a few comments back and try to refute those accusations. I don't care enough about Joe Rogan to try to prove anything about him. I never said Spotify's policy was "a gold standard" or even…

Ok, if I understand correctly based on this and your original comment, you make two claims. 1. This was an "obvious eventuality" 2. This does not constitute mistreatment of Rogan by Spotify. First, many of the episodes such as the Milo Yiannopoulos one predate the Spotify deal. Spotify knew what they were buying and should have said at the time what they were and were not willing to host. Only Spotify and and Rogan k…

When the narrative can't be twisted to their favor, they will simply cancel your responses. These are the same people that would argue cancel culture does not exist.

Edit: I say people, but realistically no human could exist with such flagrant disregard for logic and reasonable discourse.

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