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An interesting perspective I've heard is that she should have been more political in a few extreme cases. She is the head of state and her actual job should be to bring left and right together in the very controversial, almost unsolvable issues, and get them sorted out. She should really be like a couples therapist for political leaders. She never did this. She always stayed out of politics.

There's a reason for this, I'm a bit vague on the details, but when Parliament took control of the country from Charles II, one of the agreements was that the monarch would keep out of political affairs.

It's not just about the constitutional precedent - it's a strategy the monarchy follows for its own survival. Politics is by definition divisive; if the Queen publicly takes a side on the issues of the day she'll alienate half the country, which is a surefire way to hasten the demise of the monarchy. She's free to have her private political opinions, but it's very much against her interests to express them.

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Extremely famous people frequently "author" books, usually with ghostwriters. Charles' book is credit to him "with" two other people (Tony Juniper and Ian Skelly who, I suspect, did most of the heavy lifting. Charles has for years been sympathetic to all sorts of woo, such as "alternative" medicine; his book was met with broad criticism for its cherry-picking of scientific findings to support his environmental agenda…

I don't think there is such a thing as 'alternative medicine'. There is medicine, and there is not-medicine. Just like there is treatment and there is not-treatment. Calling things 'alternative' puts them on the same level, which they are not.

Is laughter a treatment? It depends. A treatment is something you use to treat. Not something that is effective. If you want to summarize evidence or present opinion, do so, but don't play with language.

Re: Prince Philip has died

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It will only really get interesting after the Queen kicks the bucket. For most non monarchists she isn't a bad sort to be in charge. The rest of them are a shower of shites.

An interesting perspective I've heard is that she should have been more political in a few extreme cases. She is the head of state and her actual job should be to bring left and right together in the very controversial, almost unsolvable issues, and get them sorted out. She should really be like a couples therapist for political leaders. She never did this. She always stayed out of politics.

She's always stayed out of politics, apart from when she "stays constitutionally impartial" wink wink

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-29200...

Re: Prince Philip has died

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99 years of tax subsidies, he surely had a good life without many regrets. It's beyond my comprehension why humans still keep these hereditary regimes, constitutional or absolutist, alive

Please don't take HN threads into predictable flamewar. It's tedious and not what this site is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Honest question Dang, why is it ‘flame war’ to denounce racist monarchs?

Re: Prince Philip has died

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Part of the issue is that the practice of medicine predate scientific medicine (which is known as just 'medicine' today). For example, many medicinal herbs used in traditional medicine are effective for a variety of ailments, and some have been proven scientifically. So how do we reconcile that with scientific medicine without stigmatising possibly effective remedies.

As others have said: We do the trials, and, if something from the pre-scientific era passes muster, we figure out the best way to make it as safe and efficacious as possible with the least variability in effect and fewest side effects. I'm not saying that eating a plant is ineffective, but plants don't come with dosage information for the active ingredient printed on the stem, and knowing how much of the useful (and…

Yeah, but by stigmatising traditional medicine as 'not medicine', the damage has already been done. Lots of people would be turned off a remedy just because it's 'not medicine', even afterward it was proven scientifically. It is medicine, just not scientific medicine. Compare with the issue of getting people to trust in vaccines when the news headlines are all about very rare side effects.

Keep in mind that there are traditional treatments that we haven't yet isolated the cause of action or the understand the pharmacology due to it being the interaction of different compounds.

I'm not supporting traditional or alternative medicine, but I also don't think that the issue is so black and white, and treating it as such turns people away from the subject entirely.

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Imagine being brit and having contributed 99 years of taxation so those monarchs enjoy a chill life, while there's a clear empire downfall and stalled economy... while all you can barely afford is fish 'n chips. Yet you still have to continue working to fuel this royal family bullshit.

Imagine living a life where every thing you do is questioned if not actively managed. A life of privileged yes but a life not always your own. Plus the guy served in an active combat role in WW2 so my hat is off to him. I have a Great Uncle nearing that age who served and I will never not give them a pass. This day and age people will run away screaming about their rights before serving their fellows in any capacity…

> Imagine living a life where every thing you do is questioned if not actively managed. A life of privileged yes but a life not always your own.

Gotta say, this sounds like a better argument for abolition than against.

Re: Prince Philip has died

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It cuts both ways. The life of a British Royal is better than almost anyone else's. At the same time, they don't really have a lot of freedom in the usual sense - a lot of ceremonies, formal parties, events etc. You might have a better life as an retired, anonymous millionaire with some US$5M in the bank (which would also make you extremely privileged).

True. The royal family aren't just our rulers, they're our prisoners. Can you imagine being a high-ranking member of the British royal family? Your life isn't your own - you can't pursue the career of your choosing, you have an enormous amount of obligations and you have all the usual downsides of fame, and this is all by accident of birth, not something that you chose. The job might have its perks but I'm still glad…

Meghan Markle talked about this:

"In the car ride over, however, the importance of the meeting sunk in as Harry asked Meghan, "Do you know how to curtsy?" She told Oprah: "I thought genuinely that that was what happens outside. I thought that was part of the fanfare. I didn't think that's what happens inside. I said, 'But it's your grandmother.' He goes, 'It's the queen.' That was really the first moment that the penny dropped.""[0]

Per her telling of the story, we may concluded that Harry really never had a grandmother like many other people do. It seems it's always been 'formal' in the royal family. That the ideas of duty and royalty have come before family. That's not a life that I would want to live or a family I would want to have. That said, their wealth and privilege may make up for it. But it's not perfect.

[0]https://www.popsugar.com/celebrity/meghan-markle-oprah-inter...

Re: Prince Philip has died

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99 years of tax subsidies, he surely had a good life without many regrets. It's beyond my comprehension why humans still keep these hereditary regimes, constitutional or absolutist, alive

> It's beyond my comprehension why humans still keep these hereditary regimes, constitutional or absolutist, alive 7 of the Top 10 democracies are constitutional monarchies: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index#By_country As a Canadian, I have no particular issue about getting rid of the monarchy, but anyone pushing for that will have to demonstrate that the new system will keep us in the Top 5 (or at leas…

At least in Canada, it will cause a constitutional crisis as all provinces would need to agree.

Re: Prince Philip has died

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99 years of tax subsidies, he surely had a good life without many regrets. It's beyond my comprehension why humans still keep these hereditary regimes, constitutional or absolutist, alive

> It's beyond my comprehension why humans still keep these hereditary regimes, constitutional or absolutist, alive 7 of the Top 10 democracies are constitutional monarchies: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index#By_country As a Canadian, I have no particular issue about getting rid of the monarchy, but anyone pushing for that will have to demonstrate that the new system will keep us in the Top 5 (or at leas…

Democracy? you know, the one that's already in place. Royal families has no direct influence on the democracy of these countries. Correlation doesn't mean Causation.

Re: Prince Philip has died

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Narrowly missed getting a telegram from his wife

You get the tele-message (not a telegram) from the Queen when you turn 100. But it seems you have to apply for it. https://youtu.be/7Quyte7zN70?list=PLkX9Ba6AAK_2g3Y9Y8MdLbbcT...

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