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The internet didn’t kill counterculture – you just won’t find it on Instagram

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Post by njharman »

TameAntelope wrote: post #295
throwitaway1235 wrote: post #249

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I'd like your thoughts on why their political beliefs are not vulnerable.

Because you decide your political beliefs, and reactions to those decisions inform whether or not you continue to hold them. Unlike a protected class, which you cannot choose to be a member of. Being of a political party is not a protected class, nor should it be. The "most vulnerable people in our society" are the people who are discriminated on things they are, not things they do. Gab users are not the most vulnera…

First protected class is a legal construct that varies by jurisdiction and application. And a whole lot more than then handful enumerated deserve protection.

Veteran, family status and religion are protected classes you can choose to be in.

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Post by yowlingcat »

smolder wrote: post #234
yowlingcat wrote: post #111

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Not the OP but I'll bite -- I've seen some incredible counterculture emerging out of what I like to term the IRC revival, or Discord communities. Discord and Roblox have fueled the communities creating a ton of the more interesting music I've discovered over the past year.

Yeah, but discord is centralized and comes with all the related problems. IRC you can host yourself and it's not really dead, being a protocol.

What is a protocol, really? In a literal sense, you can say only something that's IRC compatible is IRC. But in a more figurative sense, aren't Discord communities merely using Discord the way folks use to use IRC? Isn't Discord just centralized IRC, then, because that's how people use it and what they're using it for?

Centralization poses censorship and control risks that IRC doesn't, for sure. But it also adds ubiquity. That's key for a community.

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Post by a1369209993 »

__blockcipher__ wrote: post #261
throwitaway1235 wrote: post #249

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I'd like your thoughts on why their political beliefs are not vulnerable.

Indeed. Being able to lose your source of income for posting something that contradicts the mainstream narrative counts as vulnerability in my book. I wanted to post a few examples of potential comments that would very plausibly get one removed from one's job, but that might risk becoming trollbait etc, so I won't give specific examples and just trust that we all have a decent pulse of the kinds of things that you ca…

> the kinds of things that you can't say publicly without risk of losing employment or some other punishment.

See eg http://paulgraham.com/say.html, for further hints.

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Post by Jtsummers »

lc9er wrote: post #322
krick wrote: post #284

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That's weird. I mean, you do you, but if this is a popular opinion, I had no idea. On the contrary, I'm mildly annoyed when someone calls me to say something that could've said over the text. And I don't think of it as a personal preference: async information exchange is objectively less intrusive, which is why it should be preferred when possible (which isn't always the case, because it's also objectively less fluen…

The argument against texting, for me at least, is that it’s more intrusive (constant interruptions for unimportant things) and interactions end up being less and less meaningful.

Turn off notifications. Text is inherently asynchronous letting you answer when you can. Phone calls that aren’t for a conversation are much more intrusive.

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Post by icedchai »

airhead969 wrote: post #302
icedchai wrote: post #297

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You just need to go back to the 1990's, when Usenet and BBSes were still active.

BTDTBTTS. IDSPISPOPD. BBSes: Those tables of phone lines, usernames, and passwords. Usenet: human conversations maybe decreasing, while data volume keeps increasing: porn, warez, and media IIRC. IRC: important things still happen. Just need a DMC-12 and a flux capacitor.

yep.. I miss those days. Things were less monetized, the "online" population was smaller and more focused.

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Post by great22221 »

__blockcipher__ wrote: post #270
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #37

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> From well-compensated marketing teams, to hordes of self-interested proselytizers (see: bitcoin), to propaganda teams looking to influence public opinion, mainstream dark forest sites simply shift the balance of power from the platform itself to the most motivated and well-funded members of the platform This is making the perfect the enemy of the good. Also, voting systems take care of a lot of this, because naked…

> because naked propaganda spam gets downvoted by the users This is simply not true, although I suppose it depends on the definition of naked. Here's some random examples - although like anything, whether it qualifies as propaganda depends on one's beliefs: - When the previous US president wanted to pull out of Syria, or at least scale down the activities there, a bunch of headlines to the effect of "[President's nam…

The GameStop thing was some trying to emulate the shitty behaviour of hedge funds and succeeding. The authorities had to intervene to stop these people. Even Robinhood had to disable trading for these people, otherwise who knows how long it could have gone on. The authorities are mum when the hedge funds do it.

'Changed, prayed, took stupid selfies' - let's not hide what they did. They had weapons. If an angry crowd with weapons come to my workplace and ransacked the place, making everyone flee for their lives, I would want them all to serve prison time. It's a no-brainer.

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Post by a1369209993 »

__blockcipher__ wrote: post #270
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> From well-compensated marketing teams, to hordes of self-interested proselytizers (see: bitcoin), to propaganda teams looking to influence public opinion, mainstream dark forest sites simply shift the balance of power from the platform itself to the most motivated and well-funded members of the platform This is making the perfect the enemy of the good. Also, voting systems take care of a lot of this, because naked…

> because naked propaganda spam gets downvoted by the users This is simply not true, although I suppose it depends on the definition of naked. Here's some random examples - although like anything, whether it qualifies as propaganda depends on one's beliefs: - When the previous US president wanted to pull out of Syria, or at least scale down the activities there, a bunch of headlines to the effect of "[President's nam…

> (regardless of what you feel about the speech or conservatives, it should be trivially obvious that they are not furious about a "non-insane" speech)

I guess it could be implying that being furious about insane speeches is normal, and "non-insane" is what makes it news? Just for devil's advocate sake.

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Post by TameAntelope »

njharman wrote: post #341
TameAntelope wrote: post #295

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because you decide your political beliefs, and reactions to those decisions inform whether or not you continue to hold them. Unlike a protected class, which you cannot choose to be a member of. Being of a political party is not a protected class, nor should it be. The "most vulnerable people in our society" are the people who are discriminated on things they are, not things they do. Gab users are not the most vulnera…

First protected class is a legal construct that varies by jurisdiction and application. And a whole lot more than then handful enumerated deserve protection. Veteran, family status and religion are protected classes you can choose to be in.

So you don't believe there's a moral backing for the concept of a protected class? And do you think "political views" fall into that category? Additionally, do you think it's "political views" themselves that are under threat here? Has anyone been banned from any social media platform entirely for speaking about cutting/raising taxes or growing/shrinking government?

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Post by scubazealous »

Counterculture will never die, it always adapts. While it is hard to find there are aspects of counterculture ideas on mainstream platforms like Instagram but they are obstructed.

How do you define counterculture? It is outside the mainstream, yes, but it does not need to be hidden. There are still individuals and groups who are "against the grain" in our society and always will be.

In my experience these people are relatively private when it comes to their digital life (not absent!) but can be amazing storytellers in other mediums, through song, dance, writing, etc.

I think the biggest misconstruction is that the counterculture is a single shared idea or that it is freely accessible to the masses.

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