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Post by SilverRed »

ttt0 wrote: post #78
colejohnson66 wrote: post #56

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Or get someone big enough that they can ask YouTube on Twitter WTF is going on. Like Markiplier in November 2019. He asked his fans to spam emojis in a livestream. So they did and were banned for spam. Their appeals - which YouTube says are reviewed by actual humans - were denied. It wasn’t until he went to Twitter that the problem was fixed. https://twitter.com/markiplier/status/1193218509804695552

If I remember correctly, it wasn't just YouTube. Because of that people lost their entire Google accounts, including e-mail, drive and whatever else people trust Google with nowadays That in particular made me go from just not using Google personally and occasionally bitching about their practices to actively discouraging everyone from using anything related to that company

This is why I like my accounts unbundled. One account per service thanks. Far too many horror stories of Rift users getting their facebook account banned without the option to have it reviewed and then losing access to all the games they had purchased.

Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by anonytrary »

afavour wrote: post #3

Not sure what a thinly resourced piece like this is doing so high up on HN. There’s really very little evidence that this has anything to do with racial slurs. From a quick read: last June, the channel was banned for “harmful and dangerous” content. The ban was removed in under 24 hours. YouTube has not confirmed the reason. And yet: > Experts suspect that it was the usage of words like "black" and "white" that confu…

You're not sure why this has so many upvotes on HN? The title is anti-google and most people on the internet only read titles. It makes sense that this community would heavily upvote this post. I did not read the article either, mostly because IDGAF anymore. Big tech companies banning whoever they want is the new normal unfortunately.

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Post by dblohm7 »

drak0n1c wrote: post #233
FartyMcFarter wrote: post #132

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If someone thinks chess colors are racist, they should get educated on their history first: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_and_Black_in_chess#Histo...

Nearly all the outrage over word use and six-figure tax bills for rewording city and federal documents is the result of ignorance of etymology, homonyms, and homophones.

I made the mistake of pointing this out on Twitter, and was promptly and aggressively told that, as long as anybody is upset, etymology doesn’t matter.

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Post by SilverRed »

andreynering wrote: post #10

I recently took some actions to reduce the damage if Google ever ban my account. I'm now using a custom email domain (although it's just redirecting to my Gmail for now), and doing regular backups of my emails (through Thurderbird) and Google Drive. With these news being more and more common, you never know when it'll happen to you.

I did this when I was using Google Docs for school and one day I went to open my doc to continue working on it and it just presented me with an error page saying my document was blocked due to "ToS violations" I had to restart in a new document and that was the last time I ever trusted my data with google.

The document got randomly unblocked the next week but the damage was already done.

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Post by LordDragonfang »

Judgmentality wrote: post #322
foepys wrote: post #312

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Everytime this is coming up, I wonder why people were always okay with banning nudity but now that hate speech (that undeniably agitates people and leads to hate crime) gets banned, they oppose content blocking.

Who was okay with banning nudity? I think the only thing I've seen universally agreed upon to be bad is child pornography.

Nudity is banned on television, youtube, facebook, twitch, and any public place in the US. None of those had significant outcry when it was banned, and people bat an eye so little at that status quo that I apparently had to write this comment to remind you.

Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by SilverRed »

dmingod666 wrote: post #77
waterhouse wrote: post #30

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You joke (I think), but given what happened to the "master" branch on GitHub, it seems likely that some people will try to push the point, and, if they make enough noise, it's likely that the organizations involved will eventually cave (not the chess grandmasters (!), but the administrator types). I googled a bit and turned up a couple of news articles: https://apnews.com/article/184386cc09be6c69535919402a13fa3f and…

The github change is brought up by a lot by people, but, all github does here is this. On the default set of commands it shows you if you don't have a repo pushed, it shows you the help command with 'main', instead of 'master'. Just a word change on a default help document, that's it. If you knew your commands you wouldn't even notice this. If you just make a repo and push your existing code to github, it will work w…

iirc git was also looking in to changing the default name when you run git init. Yes, it makes no difference at all, its just a name. But the fact is that a lot of people felt it very important to make this nonsensical change. There is no reason why the colors of chess pieces would not fall under the same justifications.

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Post by Retric »

throwaway_1301 wrote: post #293
Retric wrote: post #268

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People often watch YouTube videos at 2x speeds, it’s part of their app to select 1.25, 1.5, 1.75, 2x because you can generally listen to most speakers at that speed just fine. Let alone 11 hours of ocean waves etc. Only averaging 1.3x assumed significant overhead and going back to re listen to segments, have an escalation queue for flagged videos, and randomly assigning multiple people to the same videos to ensure pe…

[disclaimer] I work at Google, all opinions are my own. I don't deal with Youtube but have had exposure to moderation operations. It is not an easy task. Google already has more than 10k people working on this: https://blog.youtube/news-and-events/expanding-our-work-agai... . If 100 people solved the issue, it would have been solved. You are incorrect about your assumptions in many respects. Let me list out a few: 1)…

Building systems is clearly a major effort which was specifically excluded from that estimate. However, while you’re right it’s complicated, I would point out my overall estimate was close to Google’s own.

“Since we started using machine learning to flag violent and extremist content in June, the technology has reviewed and flagged content that would have taken 180,000 people working 40 hours a week to assess.”

That said, I am surprised Google isn’t using machine translation for obscure languages. Props to them that’s going above and beyond in my personal opinion.

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Post by [deleted] »

uniqueid wrote: post #328
fooqux wrote: post #320

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The problem is that the other guy is saying the same thing you are. The radical left and the radical right both think each other's points are dangerous. And the moderates are pointing at both sides and claiming the same thing. From their respective viewpoints, they're in the "right", just as you think you are. There's a slippery slope here, and I feel it's one so large that we can't even tell we're already sliding on…

The problem is that the other guy is saying the same thing you are. Then I hope I win. Cause the other guy really likes firearms and believes Bill Gates is some sort of satanic reptilian timelord. Facebook's new governing body are interesting, but I fear will be troublesome in other ways. I don't see that model making anyone happy because I believe true impartiality is impossible. The honest and less bureaucratic app…

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Post by LordDragonfang »

fooqux wrote: post #320
uniqueid wrote: post #311

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I don't care if what you watch is good or bad for you . I care if what you watch turns you into a threat to me . Based on the past few years, it looks like maybe 20% of the general population is suggestible enough to endanger the rest of us.

The problem is that the other guy is saying the same thing you are. The radical left and the radical right both think each other's points are dangerous. And the moderates are pointing at both sides and claiming the same thing. From their respective viewpoints, they're in the "right", just as you think you are. There's a slippery slope here, and I feel it's one so large that we can't even tell we're already sliding on…

>The obvious answer is a well-informed populace that isn't easily swayed by emotion and fear, and has the time and inclination to do their own fact checking. Trouble is, that's obviously a pipe dream.

The other trouble is that one side is actively opposed to a "well informed populace" and unironically calls secondary education "liberal brainwashing camps".

If you want a well informed populace, you have to privilege the side attempting to get there.

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Post by johnisgood »

johncena33 wrote: post #236
johnisgood wrote: post #207

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These people (the genuine ones) lack context-awareness, so they could always find something racist, sexist, ableist, whateverist in anything you say. I just named something "blacklist" a couple of days ago. It has nothing to do with races, nor slavery. The only thing they have is a person in-between who connects the two because s/he is a troll, or because lacks context-awareness or whatever. I do not enable them.

> These people (the genuine ones) lack context-awareness No, they are very much aware of the context. Most of these people are just bullies, who have found a new way to mask their toxic behavior in the name of a good cause.

I added "genuine ones" for a reason. There are lots of trolls, that is for sure. I cannot tell if there are more trolls than genuine ones though.

I have seen bots, too. I remember there was a bot that sent pull requests to over 1000 projects if I remember correctly. All the pull requests involved changing words only, such as "blacklist" to "blocklist" or whatever. You know what is funny? Many of them were merged.

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