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Israeli study finds 94% drop in symptomatic Covid-19 cases with Pfizer vaccine

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chmod600 wrote: post #337
bodyfour wrote: post #213

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The issue with the EMA approval date is a red herring, in my opinion. Unfortunately it gets given a lot of attention (especially in the UK press) even by organisations that should know better. The most important thing to remember is that both the UK and EU pre-paid for AZ to manufacture their vaccine pre-approval. The date of regulatory approval and the manufacturing schedule are supposed to be completely decoupled.…

The EU thinks it should be treated equivalently, but what do the contracts actually say? If the contract is weaker than the UK one, then that could be called an EU screwup.

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Post by fortran77 »

pid_0 wrote: post #319
scrollaway wrote: post #5

Israel feels like the only nation taking the importance and urgency of vaccination seriously. Here in Europe, articles are coming out complaining that the slow vaccination could be harming the economy which, well, fucking duh. ( https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/belgium-all-news/154626/c... ) Fast rollout. Involve pharmacies. Involve the army. Distribute widely and efficiently. Prepare for months before the vaccine…

Why is this getting down voted? Anti-Israel users I guess? Mad that Israel has its shit together?

There's a reason why my Israeli company won't do business with any Y Combinator company. This sentiment is common on Hacker News and across the parent organization. It comes from deep-seated hatred, and will hurt them in the end.

Re: Israeli study finds 94% drop in symptomatic Covid-19 cases with Pfizer vaccine

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

throwawayy1112 wrote: post #318
hef19898 wrote: post #148

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IMHO the downvotes have two reasons: Calling the Haredim out on their behaviour is not anti-semitic. Complaining or commenting about downvotes is not regarded well on HN.

> Calling the Haredim out on their behaviour is not anti-semitic. I wonder if all the people who upvote this would take offense to the same statement applied to black people or whatever identity you want to swap in.

> would take offense to the same statement applied to black people or whatever identity you want to swap in

African Americans are not ignoring lockdown en masse. They are avoiding the vaccine, but that’s less problematic.

Re: Israeli study finds 94% drop in symptomatic Covid-19 cases with Pfizer vaccine

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Post by xadhominemx »

TedPetrou wrote: post #311
Daishiman wrote: post #308

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Given that mortality comes usually between 3 to 8 weeks after infection it makes total sense.

Does it also make sense that they are currently ranked #2 in the world in cases per million in the last week for countries with more that 1 million population? This is even after a down week in cases. Next door Lebanon is seeing cases fall at the same or faster pace and they peaked at the same time as Israel. Lebanon has yet to start vaccinating. Case fatality rate has not fallen either. You would expect a huge drop…

It’s not that hard to understand. People usually die several weeks after exposure. Only 27% of the population has received both doses; a few weeks ago that number was much smaller. In addition, the ultra orthodox community has continued to flout rules on a nearly universal basis. I’m going to go check your comment history — pretty sure you’ll have been wrong about everything related to COVID so far.

Edit: shocked (not shocked) you were an early COVID vaccine skeptic, justified your belief with poor interpretation of statistics, and now that a huge amount of data have validated initial findings, you have instead decided to double down on your original gut feel!

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Post by helge9210 »

aphextron wrote: post #278
amitport wrote: post #136

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I live in Israel. There a three big points to make: 1 - There is a delay. While now we have more and more vaccinated people, much of the current cases in the hospital got infected before that. 2 - It changes from community to community but in general we have many people that are really not "disciplined". Either they believe coronovirus does not exist or it won't get them or that god will save them or the herd immunit…

> While in some places you have 70% in other communities you have 2%. (and those with 2% act like there's no coronavirus, see point 2) I've come to notice this over the last year. We now effectively live in two completely diverged realities. In one, coronavirus is a serious danger that affects our behavior and dominates every aspect of life, where we follow the news of new vaccines and declining case numbers with gra…

Which reality, in your opinion, is the real one according to measurements?

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Post by tehjoker »

greenonions wrote: post #335
tehjoker wrote: post #331

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Except for Palestinians of course where they refuse their legal duties as an occupying power to render medical aid. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/03/israel-giving-5000-vaccine-d...

Since when has 'law' applied to Israeli behavior in Palestine?

As a Jew, it makes me feel sick to see my people treat others as subhuman. My expectation is that of generosity, open democracy, freedom of religion, respect for international law, and demilitarization, but apparently US/Israeli geostrategy is having none of that.

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Post by tguvot »

tehjoker wrote: post #331
scrollaway wrote: post #5

Israel feels like the only nation taking the importance and urgency of vaccination seriously. Here in Europe, articles are coming out complaining that the slow vaccination could be harming the economy which, well, fucking duh. ( https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/belgium-all-news/154626/c... ) Fast rollout. Involve pharmacies. Involve the army. Distribute widely and efficiently. Prepare for months before the vaccine…

Except for Palestinians of course where they refuse their legal duties as an occupying power to render medical aid. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/03/israel-giving-5000-vaccine-d...

Under Oslo accords Palestinian Autonomy has it's own medical system. I believe they are signed up to Covax effort

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Post by helge9210 »

strulovich wrote: post #282
mola wrote: post #155

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Israeli here. Their way of life is not threatened by a vaccine nor by lockdown. No more than any other citizen of israel. Their leadership still has ghetto mentality and sees the state as their enemy, so they always choose to go against it while crying Nazis. It doesn't matter that these so called Nazis are jews themselves. This is the sort of mentality that 2000 years of diaspora creates. Their way of life is now de…

Israeli here as well. The Haredim way of life is less than 250 years old. Also, name calling authorities you don’t like is a not even a national sport, it’s a global one. There’s a lot of good arguments against them, but they require more nuance.

> The Haredim way of life is less than 250 years old.

I would say, less than 80 years old. In most normal countries this kind of behavior would be called "destructive totalitarian sect".

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Post by thu2111 »

oblio wrote: post #201
thu2111 wrote: post #190

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The numbers are falling all over the western world; probably because the policy response is largely same and maybe also because the virus' natural cycle is at the same stage. Probably the latter. Mortality doesn't seem to be affected by (covid specific) policy: https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w27719/w277... https://ideas.repec.org/p/wai/econwp/20-06.html https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/arti…

Interesting. In Luxembourg at least you can see the clear seasonal variation and also the enforcement of stricter lockdowns pretty much 1:1 in death rates and infection rates, accounting for the ~2-3 week delay in infection intervals.

When do you consider Luxembourg's lockdowns to have started and ended? Looking here:

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToS...

... the curves look pretty similar to that of many other countries. There was apparently (according to Wikipedia) one between Nov 23rd and Dec 15th but that appears to have made no real difference, in fact, numbers per million were stable during those dates when they had previously been falling.

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Post by AzzieElbab »

CyberRage wrote: post #48
endymi0n wrote: post #36

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While I agree with the sentiment, don‘t forget the elephant in the room is vaccine supply. It‘s just not arbitrarily scaleable and most vaccination centers in my EU country are sitting around idle. What some describe as smart moves by Israel is also rather selfish. It’s made possible by the fact that they are a rather small country that has a large support by major powers for historical reasons, but they made a pact…

Israel vaccination speed is not only due to price. Israel was the first to order vaccines even before any published results. Israel is geographically small and has medium-low sized population which helps in logistics and effectiveness. I think there was a lot of skepticism in Europe initially regarding the vaccine while in Israel the demand was very high from the get-go.

That is really smart risk management. Even if they overplayed and even if the vaccines turned out to be garbage, the price is small compared to costs of lockdowns
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