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Not read the article, but as a political aside, the licence fee is a big subject of debate here at the moment.

It was designed so that the BBC essentially had independence from the government, and as such, they could more easily be politically neutral (if they were funded directly by the government, there would be more pressure for them to cover the government favourably in news programs etc.).

Problem is that these days the licence fee is outdated with lots of people just watching Netflix/Amazon etc.

A lot of the "right wing" here also think the BBC has a left wing bias, which I think is a bit ridiculous really, as a lot of the "left wing" also think it has a right wing bias. But the consequence of this is that a lot in the current government want to decriminalise non-payment of the licence fee. This would basically mean that there is no consequence to not paying the licence fee, and assuming the government didn't come up with an alternative way of funding it, it would amount to death by a thousand cuts for the BBC (which a lot of right wingers are actually quite open about wanting).

It's quite a tough problem in my opinion. Direct funding from the government would solve a lot of problems, but also make political impartiality a lot more difficult to achieve. A direct subscription like for Netflix would likely result in a significant drop in revenue.

Hard to see a good solution here.

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BBC is awesome, their news is very good and they produce some of the best series in the world. It's a shame that they have split up BBC UK and BBC International so strictly and do everything they can to lock all BBC UK offerings to citizens of the UK. It infuriates me that I'm redirected from bbc.co.uk to bbc.com and are being displayed something else than people in the UK. If I go to bbc.co.uk, I do that to find out…

Unfortunately BBC news really isn't that good any more. It's been on a long slow decline since about 2005 or so, and now the majority of their news programming (with a few small but notable exceptions) are primarily cheering on the Tory government + ministers of the day.

BBC News has always been the de facto propaganda arm of the British government. It may only be apparent to you now, but their reporting has always been overly biased. Examples are any reporting on the Troubles (especially British crimes there), the Iraq war (especially the lead up and the Camp Stephen killings), and anything about Brexit.

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I mean I wasn't against the licence fee until they invaded my privacy detecting the purchase of a new TV and started sending me threatening letters under the guise of "TV Licencing" which is a sub-brand they use to harass people to protect the image of the BBC. I'll never pay it again.

They might feel personal but I'm fairly sure those letters are sent out blanket style. I've had 4 or 5 in the past and none have been addressed to me personally.

Until the repeal/replacement of Wireless Telegraphy Act of 1967 came through in 2013, the TV sellers were obliged by law to report any sale of TV equipment to anyone - and sooner or later the purchaser would get that impersonal note. [0]

Similar cooperation was since established with some streaming vendors (Now TV for sure, IIRC Sky as well...) as that change is pretty much what the 2013 changes were about.

Text of the notice would not be personalised, but it did use to come with _specific_ details from the purchase/account.

[0] https://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/check-if-you-need-one/business...

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> > some quite interesting shows like "Benefits Britain: Life on the Dole" > The show that demonizes, humiliates and dehumanizes working class people by filming them being evicted? The show that highlights, amplifies and prioritises the voices of working class people by filming them being evicted?

> The show that highlights, amplifies and prioritises the voices of working class people by filming them being evicted? Thank you for pointing this out. I don't know British TV well so I wrongly assumed it was another show, because it sounded like it. The show I originally thought OP was referring to is called 'Can't Pay? We'll Take it Away!'. It is bile. That is what my above comment is really responding to. It's sa…

While that may be what some people use "Can't pay, we'll take it away" for, the programme is presented in quite a sympathetic way.

Often the enforcement agents have empathy with the people they are enforcing against, particularly when it's clear that the person has a struggle that's no fault of their own. They're far less sympathetic to wealthier people who are just ignoring their responsibilities and trying to get away with it.

At least that's how I remember the show, I haven't actually watched broadcast TV for at least 2 years now.

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At least in the UK there is content on TV worthy of watching (I got addicted to snooker while there, also some quite interesting shows like "Benefits Britain: Life on the Dole"), also, when I moved overseas they paid back the licence fee for the remaining part of the year, no questions asked. Now I'm in Austria and the "content" on TV channels is just ridiculous. Targeted at 70+ pensioners, but why should I pay for t…

BBC is awesome, their news is very good and they produce some of the best series in the world. It's a shame that they have split up BBC UK and BBC International so strictly and do everything they can to lock all BBC UK offerings to citizens of the UK. It infuriates me that I'm redirected from bbc.co.uk to bbc.com and are being displayed something else than people in the UK. If I go to bbc.co.uk, I do that to find out…

> My girlfriend would gladly pay for being able to access BBC UK series, but that's apparently impossible.

There's the Britbox streaming service, but I have no idea whether it is international. Otherwise, there's limited amounts of BBC content on Netflix. But again, that may just be the UK version.

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Sweden also had this system until recently.

Also, alledgely, using scanners to catch cheaters. Though I got a visit from a man checking for unlicensed TV sets once and he didn't have a scanner, just a long list of people that didn't have a TV license.

Apparently, they actually had scanners, but never used them

https://sverigesradio.se/artikel/7113883 (swedish)

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Here in Finland they just moved the payment into taxes in 2013. Basically 2.5% starting from income after 14000€ and maxes out at 163€ collected. https://www.vero.fi/en/About-us/newsroom/visual_aids_for_pre...

Which is absurd to pay for if you're a foreigner not speaking Finnish, as the public broadcaster basically offers no content in English other than (poorly) translated news.

To be fair it might appear poorly translated to an English speaker mainly due to the fact that there isn't much of it, in Finnish or otherwise.

Some people in Finland regard this as a feature not a bug, although it's taken me a while to get used to.

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> The United Kingdom is somewhat unique in the world for requiring those households which view broadcast television to purchase a licence for the privilege. I know at least three countries (Germany, Austria and Switzerland) which do the same (edit: according the Wikipedia [0], such a fee exists in basically every European country, Japan, Israel, South Korea and Namibia). In Germany, the situation changed a few years…

You can add France and Japan to the list. In France, they don't go door to door, though, it's only a check box on some tax returns forms. In Japan they do come door to door. I've never heard about "detection vans" in either, though.

No detection vans in Japan but the door knockers are persistent as hell and not beyond making people feel unsafe in their homes.

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A bit off-topic maybe, sorry. I am not from the UK, but quite a large chunk of things I watch on YouTube are british panel shows. I'm just in love with them. Which seems funny to me, because as a non-uk twenty year old, I don't think that I'm the target demographic for these shows. "8 out of 9 cats does countdown", "Would I lie to you?" and of course my favourite, "Taskmaster". Thanks for all of these great shows. "B…

Would I Lie To You is my second favorite comedy show of all time, the first being Peep Show. I have been trying to score tickets to a taping of WILTY for years now. The form requires you to specify an address and each time I have to note that yes, I really would fly from California to Uxbridge to attend a taping. They never get back to me :)

WILTY tickets are insanely difficult to get, and even if you get them, if you don't have a car, or aren't located very close to the studio, then you're not going to have much luck. We did get the offer for WILTY tickets, but the logistics were simply intractable (living in London at the time).

Most mainstream UK shows are taped within, or nearby, London - and that works reasonably well. Arguably the hardest show to get into is QI, and we were coaxed into being in audience for Pointless in order to bump up our 'score' on the QI queue as it were. It's a weird old arrangement over there.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately BBC news really isn't that good any more. It's been on a long slow decline since about 2005 or so, and now the majority of their news programming (with a few small but notable exceptions) are primarily cheering on the Tory government + ministers of the day.

It sometimes seems like each side of the UK political spectrum is convinced that the BBC is irrevocably biased in favour of their opponents. The Tory right want to hamstring the BBC ("Bunch of Bloody Communists" used to be the witty cry) and jump on it at any opportunity.

I did agree with this sentiment for a long time but I have seen a shift towards failing to challenge conservative policies. I'm also quite critical of the number of Conservative members that have been made controller. There is a bit too much of revolving door between tory communications and BBC at the minute.
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