You reap what you sow. Conservatives are normally champions of corporate freedom, they never had a problem with the extreme bias on cable news or talk radio, but now that big tech companies have eclipsed the platforms they dominate they cry foul. AWS isn't an ISP, but if conservatives hadn't destroyed net neutrality they might have a legal leg to stand on when ISPs inevitably refuse to give them a business contract so that they might house their own servers. I think they deserve this outcome for being persistent bad faith actors in this regard, but I'd be happy to see a restoration of net neutrality now that conservatives are selfishly motivated to support it.
Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc
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#342Earlier quoted context omitted.
This just isn't true. We can argue whether or not Parler was not moderating correctly - but to imply they did not have a policy against violence is not true: 6. Threats of Violence, Advocacy of Imminent Lawless Action, Threats to Dox, Bribery or Criminal Solicitation So-called “fighting words” are not a violation of our Guidelines.2 6.1 However, reported parleys, comments, or messages sent using our service will be d…
Since the previous comment where you said this is dead, I'll repeat my response here: Amazon presented Parler with a list of violent posts that they had reported to Parler and that Parler had refused to remove. The whole letter Amazon sent to Parler was reported out by Buzzfeed, including screenshots of the violent posts that Parler did not remove.
I read that article you linked but don't see where it says Parler refused to remove those posts. I can't check whether those posts still exist since Amazon took the whole site down.
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I'm really scared to trust Greenwald on anything political at the moment. For a start, the silencing competitors argument doesn't really work with AWS because they just do hosting.
> For a start, the silencing competitors argument doesn't really work with AWS because they just do hosting. The complaint alleges there are deeper ties: Less than a month ago, AWS announced with a press release a new multi-year deal with Twitter. AWS will “provide global cloud infrastructure to deliver Twitter timelines.” Twitter Selects AWS as Strategic Provider to Serve Timelines, Press Center, Amazon, (Dec. 15, 2…
On the other hand: the larger Twitter is, the easier it is for them to bargain hard with Amazon. A world with multiple competing Twitter-like services is potentially better for Amazon's bottom line.
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It appears so. Is this surprising?
Did they also perjure themselves when they stated the Amazon letter was published in buzzfeed before being provided to them?
I don't know, but again: does that matter? Is Amazon obliged to keep their communications with Parler private? Certainly Amazon's customers don't adhere to that norm.
The controversy here seems very simple. When Amazon alerted Parler to specific violent posts, did Parler immediately remove them, or did it wait to remove them until shit blew up? I don't know that I need to care whether or when Amazon alerted BuzzFeed. Amazon says it's removing Parler because of Parler's behavior, not because of something Buzzfeed reported.
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Are you sure about that? I almost sure I read somewhere that Parler has a policy that prohibits incitement of violence.
That was their policy on paper. In practice, it was not enforced.
They removed Lin Wood's post that called for executing the VP.
https://cbs58.com/news/mediaite-parler-ceo-says-it-took-down...
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#3461). AWS can suspend service for any customer immediately upon giving that customer notice. They do not have to provide a "remediation period" or give the customer any grace time at all. Every customer agrees to this as part of the AWS Customer Agreement 2). AWS can terminate an account immediately if they deem you in violation of their policies instead of a suspension - as was the case with Parler. It's all in the AW…
3) The claim for contract violation is invalid because the contract says it has to be arbitrated instead:
> Disputes will be resolved by binding arbitration, rather than in court, except that you may assert claims in small claims court if your claims qualify. The Federal Arbitration Act and federal arbitration law apply to this Agreement.
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> The guy in the fur hat was arrested and had a Parler. I can't find evidence of this. Could you share your evidence? Greenwald did significant research here and said he found no active users from those arrested: https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1348619731734028293
Glenn is either terrible at research or lying. https://twitter.com/azforeman/status/1348648808390008832?s=2... Google “baked alaska parler”. It’s literally on the first page of results.
Glenn is hiding behind the "were arrested" phrasing, so despite the fact that baked alaska has a parler account and was literally livestreaming from the capital he doesn't count in Glenn's opinion as he hasn't been arrested yet.
What Glenn is saying is technically true, but also complete garbage. It's meant to fool people who can't do the minimum levels of research.
https://www.insider.com/washington-dc-protest-livestream-bak...
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There's a big difference between protesting and domestic terrorism.
Tell that to my favorite ice cream shop that was smashed to bits on Melrose. Or the synagogues on Fairfax that were defiled. Or the vehicles all over DTLA that were set on fire. Or the man who died of smoke inhalation in a Minneapolis shop because he couldn't escape the flames. At least 19 people died last summer. Don't downplay it.
That is not equatable with breaking into a national building with the intent to kidnap or kill.
MAGA bludgeoned a Capitol Police Officer to death. Last summer doesn’t compare.
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#350I have seen so many violent threats and incitements on Twitter, Snapchat, Facebook, and Instagram over the last 5 years that Parler could possibly make the case that they've been singled out, but I doubt it. They're just too unsympathetic of a plaintiff, imho. That said, antitrust battles against Big Tech will dominate the next four years of economic policy, and rightfully so. GAFA is too big, too powerful, too manip…
I’d argue not to use law to dismantle big tech companies even if I disagree with their banning.
Twitter, Facebook and Google’s social services (gmail and YouTube) are at their heights or just behind them. The cycle for when tech companies are devoured is coming to them. I’d wager something like PeerTube will take a big part of the void YT will leave behind, as the market for censorship-resistant video will grow along the growth of forbidden opinions. Centrally planned government interventions without fail do fail.