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Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by rhizome »

young_unixer wrote: post #306
bambax wrote: post #210

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> I’m not offended by the word “fuck” but I don’t really want to buy products that are named that. Then don't. How is this relevant? They say the app has been downloaded 500,000 times, so many people are fine with the name. These stories keep coming; they should remind us that nothing is more precious than the open web, and all those stores or walled gardens, their "rules" and vague TOS are the ennemy.

> These stories keep coming; they should remind us that nothing is more precious than the open web, and all those stores or walled gardens, their "rules" and vague TOS are the ennemy. Yes. And the solution is: 1. Creating a viable alternative. 2. Promoting it. Which is the opposite of what TFA is trying to do: They just want Apple to make an exception for them. Not to solve the root problem.

> Which is the opposite of what TFA is trying to do: They just want Apple to make an exception for them. Not to solve the root problem

They name several apps which would seem to violate the same guideline, at worst they're asking for the same exception Apple has already given to others. An argument can be made that they're snitching on the others, but it's also an argument for consistency that one could say is the root problem.

Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by chiefalchemist »

I want to suggest rebranding as Beige - the most harmless, boring, and forgettable "color" in the universe. But then even that would likely offend someone, somewhere, somehow.

Maybe Apple should change their name? Given what apples did for Adam & Eve?

Yes, words are important. But so is context and intention. If we keep eliminating words - removed from context and intent -then all we'll have left are emojis.

Oh wait...nevermind.

Botton line: Come on Apple, really? Of all the fights to fight in the world, this is a good one? Shame on you.

Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by skywhopper »

Interesting. It's annoying that the review process is so inconsistent. But although the amphetamine-based drugs listed are legal, it would be illegal to prescribe for the purpose of "staying awake", so the implication of the app's name that an "amphetamine" is a safe and legal means to "stay awake" does probably violate the spirit of the rule.

Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by [deleted] »

young_unixer wrote: post #306
bambax wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I’m not offended by the word “fuck” but I don’t really want to buy products that are named that. Then don't. How is this relevant? They say the app has been downloaded 500,000 times, so many people are fine with the name. These stories keep coming; they should remind us that nothing is more precious than the open web, and all those stores or walled gardens, their "rules" and vague TOS are the ennemy.

> These stories keep coming; they should remind us that nothing is more precious than the open web, and all those stores or walled gardens, their "rules" and vague TOS are the ennemy. Yes. And the solution is: 1. Creating a viable alternative. 2. Promoting it. Which is the opposite of what TFA is trying to do: They just want Apple to make an exception for them. Not to solve the root problem.

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Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by kuroguro »

Bodell wrote: post #188
bserge wrote: post #155

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[Sorry, I'm a bit hyped up at the moment] This is all ridiculous and I don't like where we're headed as a society.

I’m very glad you brought up weed actually. See I have no problem with weed and like to smoke a joint every now and then. However what I don’t want is to have to buy weed called dumb things like “bro down”, “the obliterator”, and “brain destroyer”. I’d much rather you just named something not so click baity. Sure it’s just a chemical. Everything is just chemicals but I don’t need “meth” for my computer. Same reason o…

Alcohol 120% has entered the chat. /s

I can see why Apple chooses the family friendly route and rebranding probably is the best option in this case as fighting it would most likely be futile.

I don't think they went overboard with the name in general tho. It makes sense for the app as much as the other coffee/coca branded ones do.

They explicitly chose "amphetamine" over "meth" which is a medical term and has valid uses.

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Post by hombre_fatal »

smnrchrds wrote: post #296
incongruity wrote: post #252

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As are dentist visits and prostate exams - but even those things ultimately add value. HOA’s arguably do so as well even if they’re often hated.

But do most people consider them as such, i.e. painful but necessary/beneficial? My understanding was that they are widely regarded as parasitic organizations full of busybodies who are there to advance their personal agenda and to feel a sense of power over people at the expense of all the reasonable people who just want to live their lives; they are considered the polar opposite of live and let live . I personally…

HOA does have what feel like arbitrary busybody restrictions, but they are also the authority that makes people remove the broken washing machine from their front yard and they are the only recourse in my region (when I lived briefly in a suburban house) for someone who refuses to do anything about their dog that barks 24/7 or flings trash into your neighboring yard. HOA fixed it for me on both occasions. The police certainly don’t care.

So people aren’t going to like the HOA. But they also offer essential recourse and order.

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Post by pixelatedindex »

smnrchrds wrote: post #296
incongruity wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As are dentist visits and prostate exams - but even those things ultimately add value. HOA’s arguably do so as well even if they’re often hated.

But do most people consider them as such, i.e. painful but necessary/beneficial? My understanding was that they are widely regarded as parasitic organizations full of busybodies who are there to advance their personal agenda and to feel a sense of power over people at the expense of all the reasonable people who just want to live their lives; they are considered the polar opposite of live and let live . I personally…

Most people I know who have been pro-HOA are the ones who have a say in it and are on the board, or have strong opinions on how their neighbors should outfit their own house.

The ones that hates the HOA are the ones that have paid a ton of money (I’m in the Bay Area) and can’t do as they please. Who wants to pay close to a million and have others chime in and start giving you directions on what to do to your own property.

I rent, but the principe of the HOA is a big enough leech in my mind that I’d hold out for a single home, whenever that is (if at all).

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Post by badwolf »

o_p wrote: post #227
tigen wrote: post #113

I don't agree with Apple here but I also don't feel too outraged either, I can see both sides and it's their store. I actually think Windows/MacOS should build the most commonly used sleep-gating functionality into the OS. (On Windows there's Coffee and Milk, where Coffee helps you keep it awake and Milk helps you figure out why it doesn't sleep. Seems like basic modern OS stuff to me.)

Its not just their store. Its my device and they are not letting me run a program in it by the dumbest reasons. We shouldnt normalize manufacturers censoring software arbitrarily.

does the developer not let you download the app outside of the Mac App Store?

Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by judge2020 »

sudosysgen wrote: post #292
aardvarkr wrote: post #241

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"1.4.3 Apps that encourage consumption of tobacco and vape products, illegal drugs, or excessive amounts of alcohol are not permitted on the App Store. Apps that encourage minors to consume any of these substances will be rejected. Facilitating the sale of marijuana, tobacco, or controlled substances (except for licensed pharmacies) isn’t allowed." Taking this literally, is an amphetamine an illegal drug? It’s a clas…

It's not illegal, it is perfectly legal, but like driving a car you need to go through a process for it that not everyone can clear. For example, if you have issues staying awake from narcolepsy it's possible to legally obtain amphetamines, and our society generally accepts this to be a good thing.

Opioids are often prescribed for good reason as well but there's still an opioid epidemic and referencing them in your app's name or icon probably isn't a good thing to do. Some amphetamines are schedule 2 drugs in the US so possession is illegal in most circumstances.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_Substances_Act#cite...

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