As I write this we're now months into a children's book project using WordPress that would have taken _weeks_ with Flash. Our studio depends on CSS and HTML wonks who are hard to find and expensive. With Flash, the extra engineering steps were not needed—we could publish right to the web; every site was uniquely beautiful. It's a big loss for us. The workflow we had with Flash twenty years ago was faster and less resource dependent than what we have now.
HTML5 still doesn't replicate what mattered about Flash
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Re: HTML5 still doesn't replicate what mattered about Flash
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Not sure I follow. Does “boomer” not mean “person born between 1946 and 1964”? Does it just mean ”old” now?
Data point: FPS games that try to recreate the low-poly looks of mid-90s shooters are called "boomer shooters" in the community, despite the fact that boomers were already of middle age when Doom, Quake, abd Duke Nukem 3D came out and arguably outside the target audience of those games.
I played a lot of FPS games in my time and I have never heard that term. When did that start?
Are you suggesting that “boomer” simply means “old” now?
Re: HTML5 still doesn't replicate what mattered about Flash
#343The author is right. But Jobs was also right, Flash was fundamentally to resource intensive for mobile and arguably still is. Without mobile, Flash was doomed. Flash also has a bunch of other issues in terms of security and performance on PCs which were never really addressed.
Jobs didn't like Flash because it was a potential escape from the walled garden. I have my issues with Flash, but Jobs' reasoning was purely business model.
> but Jobs' reasoning was purely business model.
It is always difficult to try and second guess decisions which were made by other people behind closed doors. Particularly when you know the end outcome where the people who made the choices wouldn't have.
When Jobs wrote that memo, the iPhone wasn't remotely dominant. It had tiny market share on and Windows Mobile and Android were both very big threats to the iPhone. There could easily be an alternative history where Adobe wrote a really effective version of Flash and Apple was left out in the cold.
Fast forward 10 years and it all looks obvious, but I don't think it was a slam dunk back then.
Re: HTML5 still doesn't replicate what mattered about Flash
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The turn if the century really was a different time. > boomer tech Since we are talking about events ~25 years ago isn’t all of this “boomer tech” because the boomers were at the peak of their careers at the time? Aren’t they the ones that created, like, everything ? Seems like a strangely modern phrase to use to describe what is now ancient history. Also I’m not that old but I already see the ageism in tech. I see i…
If you're a teen or twentysomething in the late 90s, your mom is probably a boomer. She's also the most likely demographic to stick with Netscape because it's the browser she started off with and it's comfortable for her. The kids of the time already knew by 1998 that IE was the future of the web. Netscape had already made their open source announcement and spun off Mozilla in 1998. Navigator was effectively dead.
Yes, my parents are boomers. What I object to is the derogatory use of that term. Sorry if I misinterpreted your intent.
Re: HTML5 still doesn't replicate what mattered about Flash
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Internet generations seem to be much quicker, with big shifts every 3 to 5 years. Mary Meeker's yearly summary often illustrates aspects of this.
Not sure I follow. Does “boomer” not mean “person born between 1946 and 1964”? Does it just mean ”old” now?
Yeah it is also used for anyone who is even a few years older.
Re: HTML5 still doesn't replicate what mattered about Flash
#346Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not sure I follow. Does “boomer” not mean “person born between 1946 and 1964”? Does it just mean ”old” now?
Data point: FPS games that try to recreate the low-poly looks of mid-90s shooters are called "boomer shooters" in the community, despite the fact that boomers were already of middle age when Doom, Quake, abd Duke Nukem 3D came out and arguably outside the target audience of those games.
I think what the other post might be missing is that the gamers of the 90s/early 2000's are gen y aka millenials and often called or treated as boomers.
Re: HTML5 still doesn't replicate what mattered about Flash
#347Earlier quoted context omitted.
Data point: FPS games that try to recreate the low-poly looks of mid-90s shooters are called "boomer shooters" in the community, despite the fact that boomers were already of middle age when Doom, Quake, abd Duke Nukem 3D came out and arguably outside the target audience of those games.
I think what the other post might be missing is that the gamers of the 90s/early 2000's are gen y aka millenials and often called or treated as boomers.
Ok now I’m really confused. I’m a millennial but I have never (to my knowledge) been called a “boomer”.
Doesn’t that make Halo or CS “boomer shooters”?
Maybe I’m older than I think...
Re: HTML5 still doesn't replicate what mattered about Flash
#348Re: HTML5 still doesn't replicate what mattered about Flash
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Ah, yeah, that reading does make more sense. Guess I have a raw nerve.
I'm less positive of it after rereading the post to be honest. Netscape in 99 was just starting it's plummet, so it's hard to say it was booming but it also wasn't really outdated either. I probably should have thought my post through more, sorry.
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Re: HTML5 still doesn't replicate what mattered about Flash
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that is such a weird OS + browser combination I have to take your comment as sarcasm, but the rest of the comment seems sincere enough.
No, not sarcasm at all. I tried Flash on a variety of different operating systems and browsers at the time -- and IE5 on Mac OS 9 was the only one that consistently delivered good results. It seems weird, but when you consider the context at the time, it makes sense. Back in the late 90s -- when Flash was on the rise and being rapidly developed -- IE5 was the browser to have on Mac just as it was on Windows. The reas…
Ok thanks, since I didn't do any Flash development I was unaware of this, depsite having been around.