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Ultra-processed foods and the corporate capture of nutrition

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Re: Ultra-processed foods and the corporate capture of nutrition

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I'm offering the book as a resource because I think it might be helpful or interesting to you and other people with similar thoughts. It discusses many things you have mentioned. There's only so much depth one can put in a comment, but some of my favorite books are ones I found metioned in passing here. You can take it or leave it. I'm really not sure what the "mainsteam science of food" is. Studies linking food to h…

Learning psychology, and learning to trick yourself into accomplishing greater goals is probably one of the most effective life hacks I've ever used. If you don't like it, that's fine. I'm just saying... it works. And it works very well. Predict your own behaviors, be honest with yourself, and then nudge yourself into improving yourself through greater reasoning. If you know that X will make you overeat, then avoid X…

> If you know that X will make you overeat

I've never met a food with this kind of psychic power. Even if pigs did have this dramatic power at some point, surely it is lost after they are cooked.

I can get on board with being honest with yourself and trusting your stomach, but I wouldn't call that a psychology or a trick/hack. I would simply call that listening to the signals your body has been sending all along. But if you are interested in psychological manipulation in other contexts maybe it can be helpful to frame it that way.

"Willpower" methods are usually set up to fail because they approach the problem from a bad angle. It takes sustained effort to look at a delicious food while abstaining. It takes less effort if the food is far away, out of sight. It takes no effort if you decide it's not that delicious after all. But if you have something that works for you by all means stick to it.

Re: Ultra-processed foods and the corporate capture of nutrition

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That’s not remotely true at all. a) Walk into Chipotle, walk out. $10, 10 minutes. b) Prepare a list of ingredients. Go to the grocery store. Find and select those ingredients. Go home. Cook and prepare ingredients. Clean dishes and cookware. $7, 2 hours. Is your time worth so little that you’d spend hours to save $3?

I gotta say, I laughed out loud at your "hours to save $3." Its honestly the exact response I expect from people who eat at Chipotle. Even if we assume you never go to the grocery store, making a specific trip to the grocery store instead of Chipotle can likely be assumed to take the same amount of traveling time. And next time you go to Chipotle, think for a moment the complexity of the ingredients your getting. Ric…

Way to miss the point. Cleaning dishes takes time. Going to the grocery takes time. That’s why people go to Chipotle.

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It's extremely time consuming. It takes hours to properly cook meals for an entire family. That's time I'd rather spend doing something else since I don't really enjoy the process of cooking itself. There's also the time required to prepare the dining room, clean the dishes, shop for ingredients and supplies and more incredibly boring tasks that I'm probably forgetting. Doing this every single day is just so tiresome…

Apps like "Eat This Much" can simplify meal planning by helping you make dishes that last multiple days. It lets you optimize each meal for time to prepare, variety, cost, etc. It also prepares a weekly shopping list. (Seriously, great app, few rough edges though and onboarding is not friendly) Also, sauces. 1 day making bolognese is 3 days of main courses. Ideally you are only making 2 or 3 main courses during the w…

If you have any thoughts on what would make ETM’s onboarding more friendly, would love to hear them :)

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He has not just met experts, he has gone through the full 4 or 5 year Indian Ayurvedic degree, which includes some parts of MBBS degree, IIRC. I have not read his Aghora series. That could be esoterica or even a spoof, who knows. I have only read his Ayurveda book. Doubt that that book is wrong, since my family has some background in Ayurveda as users for two generations or more. Also read his bio on his site - says…

His Aghora book (the first one) includes the following assertions that Sri Ramakrishna got throat cancer by wish of some female guru as punishment for wanting to learn Tantra out of turn Abbottabad is hottest place in Asia (it’s Jacobabad near where my mom grew up) Wajid Ali Shah died soon after he was sent to Calcutta by British Confuses Shamse Tabrez and Shamsuddin Sabzawari (RA)

Don't know anything about those points of yours, but interesting.

Re: Ultra-processed foods and the corporate capture of nutrition

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Apps like "Eat This Much" can simplify meal planning by helping you make dishes that last multiple days. It lets you optimize each meal for time to prepare, variety, cost, etc. It also prepares a weekly shopping list. (Seriously, great app, few rough edges though and onboarding is not friendly) Also, sauces. 1 day making bolognese is 3 days of main courses. Ideally you are only making 2 or 3 main courses during the w…

If you have any thoughts on what would make ETM’s onboarding more friendly, would love to hear them :)

Hi!

I was one of your early sign ups when you first announced on reddit. I came back this year and resumed my usage.

So, originally, I was a single guy looking to put on muscle. ETM works great for that! Like, super duper well. Baring a few issues.

But now, it isn't just me! And I can't get away with arguing "well the meal is nutritionally balanced."

So, from a wife acceptance factor, whole meals, more than 1 course.

Next, ETM gives wacko shopping amounts sometimes. I know that the math may work out, but 25 cups of spinach is too much. The amounts listed to buy are so far off reality that I am not going to trust the delivery option, which, well, totally sucks because that'd be nice. I think it had me buy 6 heads of lettuce one week.... I did. I ended the week with 4 heads of lettuce in my fridge.

For that matter, the entire UI around "original serving size, servings to make" is confusing as hell.

I should sign up for a new account to give a real FRE feedback, but the UI for existing users to configure meals and such is both absurdly powerful and also hard to manage in regards to "types of meals" and "meal plan". I totally get why the UI is how it is (except for why menus are where they are, separate topic) but I wouldn't ever suggest someone who isn't technically inclined, and also very dedicated, to even try to get started.

Which sort of sums up ETM: It is a power user's tool.

Oh and adding a recipe sucks. After doing one I gave up. I currently have a one note of "recipes from ETM except fixed so they taste like food." No offense (since I fit in this category) but a lot of the recipes are obviously written by gym bros to be as efficient as possible. Like, some of the recipes are easily transformed from meh to good by the addition of basic seasonings.

On the topic of recipes write some sort of import tool so I can point you at a website and you just scrap that shit. Or even let me paste it in and you parse it.

Even if I had to take the parsed results and verify each ingredient, it's be 10x better.

I need to be clear, I like ETM, it saves me a ton of money and makes meal planning easier, but if I didn't know how to cook, estimate amounts of food I need to buy, and if I wasn't able to on the fly figure out other courses for the meals, it would be far less useful to me.

But, as a tool for gym bros to meet their macros, bloody amazing. And gym bros will learn any UI if it promises gains, none of the other tools I use are exactly user friendly.

At the end of the day, if you had a slick onboarding process of "select 5 meals from NYT cooking that we legally slurped up because recipes have no copyright protection, and we'll ship you all the ingredients you need to cook them", well that's be an awesome product.

Oh and pay attention to when certain proteins are cooked. Buying $40 of fish on Sunday for Friday dinner is stupid. Either I freeze $40 of fish and hate you, or the fish goes to waste and I hate you. Both are shitty options.

I chose C, ignore the schedule and I cooked the Halibut on Monday.

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