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Why is the Google Cloud UI so slow?

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Re: Why is the Google Cloud UI so slow?

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Post by aitchnyu »

polytely wrote: post #277
pimlottc wrote: post #111

The G Suite (now Google Workplace) admin console GUI is also pretty slow. What makes it worse is that you have no other choice - it's the only complete tool for administrating G Suite. There are APIs for some things, but quite a lot is only available in the GUI, and new features always show up there first (if they ever make it to the API at all). There isn't even a way to import/export settings, so you have to painst…

G Suite is the worst piece of shit I have to use in my work and I curse the developers every time I'm forced to use it. It's like they went out of their way to make the worst design choices at every point. It would be impressive if it wasn't so depressing.

Whats the BigCo alternative to MS and Google office suites?

Re: Why is the Google Cloud UI so slow?

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Post by Chyzwar »

cstrahan wrote: post #197
simonw wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you find lacking about GitHub's frontend?

For one, they're using some sort of link / browser history hijacking (something like https://github.com/turbolinks/turbolinks , IIRC) which is buggy, for example: * say you're on page A * navigate to page B * navigate to page C * click your browser's back button, hoping to be back at page B * the github UI screws up and keeps you on the same page while changing the URL in the address bar * so you click back again * n…

For me this page render instantly. i5 2500K, 16 GB RAM on Linux (I do have some aggressive tweaks).

Back and forward work great on GitHub. My mouse has additional buttons for these.

Re: Why is the Google Cloud UI so slow?

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Post by noisem4ker »

cstrahan wrote: post #197
simonw wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you find lacking about GitHub's frontend?

For one, they're using some sort of link / browser history hijacking (something like https://github.com/turbolinks/turbolinks , IIRC) which is buggy, for example: * say you're on page A * navigate to page B * navigate to page C * click your browser's back button, hoping to be back at page B * the github UI screws up and keeps you on the same page while changing the URL in the address bar * so you click back again * n…

The page switch fuckery I'm noticing is not quite as severe as what you described, but still annoying:

* say you're on page A, an open pull request

* merge the pull request

* switch to a different site entirely

* go back to github's page A

* notice how it shows the pull request as if it wasn't merged yet

* refresh the page and see the status switch to merged

I'm using Firefox and I've never tried reproducing this on Chromium.

Re: Why is the Google Cloud UI so slow?

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Post by ric2b »

petters wrote: post #312
hamandcheese wrote: post #300

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> and be willing to take a whole-page refresh when the user transitions from one page to another. This should be the default! What a world we live in.

Yes! We're building a fairly complex web app and page refreshes are < 100ms. With prefetching on hover this becomes virtually instantaneous.

But the screen flashes white, it looks non-native!

Re: Why is the Google Cloud UI so slow?

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Post by sakesun »

secondcoming wrote: post #315
shadowgovt wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They care more than zero, but about feature completeness more than speed. Keeping in mind that their leading competitor (AWS) leaned heavily on CLI, providing web frontends is seen as a competitive advantage. But they're far more focused on spanning feature set than the speed of the result.

Having used both, I prefer AWS's UI over GCP's

What funny is that AWS's UI was built with GWT -- Google Web Toolkit -- technology that Google abandon in favor of Angular.

Re: Why is the Google Cloud UI so slow?

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Post by jmarcher »

wg0 wrote: post #99

I use AWS and GCP regularly and Azure sometimes as well. GCP is too damn slow by comparison not that others too would win any industry awards for speed but they are usable. On GCP however, the GKE screens are damn slow with spinner spinning for so long that I started to doubt my internet connection. UI of a IaaS (or PaaS) certainly is a complex matter and I guess few iterations down the road, GCP might perform better…

I was shocked the first time I tried Digital Ocean K8S. They are just serving the default K8s Web UI (or looks like it). It was just... so fast!

At this point I mostly use Vimium omni search to use the history to get exactly where I want to go and a simple script that opens my browser in the same context and namespace that kubectl is using. (e.g.: show all deployments, show a specific deployment, pod, logs, etc.).

Re: Why is the Google Cloud UI so slow?

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Post by chaos_a »

influx wrote: post #81
GhostVII wrote: post #51

Google's UI's in general are shockingly slow. I don't understand why my Google Drive and Gmail have input lag and choppy animations on my 5 year old xps13, it's not that hard to make navigating a filesystem or list of emails fast. Actually I do understand, it's because they want everything they build to be made in a massive javascript framework with shared components, which looks nice but runs like garbage on anythin…

The original gmail design was so fast, beautiful and minimalistic. It had vi key bindings and was close to perfect. The new one had a bunch of useless white space and the app has a loading bar! Wtf?!

The Inbox by Gmail version loaded instantly, had inline emails and loads of other cool features that got half-arsed forced into the older gmail codebase.

Google made a superior replacement to the current gmail experience and then just threw it away like it never existed.

Re: Why is the Google Cloud UI so slow?

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Post by akrymski »

nemothekid wrote: post #294
sorenjan wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which large companies aren't bad at web frontend? UX seems to always be far down on the list or priorities for modern websites.

> Which large companies aren't bad at web frontend? I know it's popular to shit on them, but Facebook (and to an extent Instagram). Despite all the expansion, and third part integrations, at least for me (13" MBP 2017, i7/16GB): 1. Everything "feels" like Facebook. 2. It's relatively quick. I can hop from posts, to events, no notifications. I hardly use Facebook, except for marketplace, so I can't say for sure if use…

But then look at FB Ads Manager - it's hard to imagine that such a horrible UX drives billions in revenue and yet no one seems to care.
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