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This is a major win for Discord.
It will be interesting how this impacts Mattermost [1] though - an open source developer collaboration tool for Enterprises, a closer competitor to Slack.
Whatever happened to matrix.org/vector/riot.im/element.io? (side note: most confusing branding ever :-/). Element seemed to be picking up some momentum a few months back. There was recent news that they acquired gitter too [1]. These days I only hear about slack exodus and discord this and discord that, though. If I get it right, from all the group messengers that appeared around 6 years ago, the only one with an ope…
Matrix is doing pretty well (although I might be biased, being project lead). For instance, the entirety of the German military announced moving over to Matrix using a fork of Element a few days ago: https://sifted.eu/articles/european-armies-matrix/ , and there are several other (very) major governments beyond France & Germany who are switching to Matrix in order to get end-to-end-encrypted interoperable comms that…
Very good
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Do you think that's what's led to Slack's success though, that enterprises don't want federation? I don't really think so. If Slack had exactly the same UX as it has but federated, I don't think that would have deterred very many customers. Maybe a few that have come on only after Slack already got so big.
It's not that federation per se is a downside for any particular customer. It's more that federation makes it a lot harder to make changes to your product, and it doesn't usually come with enough business upside to justify that cost.
Federation is actually pretty hard. It's real that federation makes it harder/slower to make changes or add new features -- but on top of that spending time on federation (even on open source projects) necessarily takes time you could be spending on the non-federation UX.
And it's not just enterprise customers for whom in the end federation isn't nearly as prioritized as a good UX in other places.
Whatever happened to matrix.org/vector/riot.im/element.io? (side note: most confusing branding ever :-/). Element seemed to be picking up some momentum a few months back. There was recent news that they acquired gitter too [1]. These days I only hear about slack exodus and discord this and discord that, though. If I get it right, from all the group messengers that appeared around 6 years ago, the only one with an ope…
I run Matrix/Element on my self-hosted server (address in my profile) and it's great for chatting with people on the Fediverse (Mastodon/Pleroma/Peertube/etc.) as a lot of people in that world also use Matrix and have their addresses posted in their profile. Corporations don't want to spend the manpower to run something like this, considering Slack is relatively cheap and Teams just comes with their Azure/Office365 l…
That's been the most disorienting part of joining Element. We have kind of a bimodal distribution of constituencies with peaks both on the enthusiast side and the boring bureaucratic government side. The mass market in the middle won't know what hit 'em! ;)
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I agree. We should evolve the IRC spec to support the modern requirements of common users. Then web clients are just an addition. Call it IRC2 or anything if it offends the original IRC nerds (which I'm part of)
Well, there's IRCv3... Problem with multi-device is you need some way of authenticating multiple TCP connections as the same logical user, at which point a lot of IRC's simplicity of implementation has been lost. Whether that's a worthwhile sacrifice is a different question though; I think it might be (as a young IRC nerd).
Back then: https://techcrunch.com/2016/03/04/source-microsoft-mulled-an... Microsoft must be cursing their decision right now..
That's only about 3x growth in almost 5 years. Don't get me wrong, this is a massive acquisition, but I still say "only" given the hypergrowth experienced by many adjacent tech companies.
So I think Microsoft may be quite happy they decided not to acquire Slack at such a high tag price nearly 5 years ago.
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I agree. We should evolve the IRC spec to support the modern requirements of common users. Then web clients are just an addition. Call it IRC2 or anything if it offends the original IRC nerds (which I'm part of)
Well, there's IRCv3... Problem with multi-device is you need some way of authenticating multiple TCP connections as the same logical user, at which point a lot of IRC's simplicity of implementation has been lost. Whether that's a worthwhile sacrifice is a different question though; I think it might be (as a young IRC nerd).
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>Yes, I know Chime exists. But I don't think I've ever heard of anyone using it, and Slack is still rather popular. I think even Amazon realized how awful Chime is, given that they, as a company, switched to Slack just a few months ago.
Amazon is a big place and I can't speak for all of it, but while IT announced that slack was "available" a few months ago, I don't personally know anyone that has actually switched to using it. Everyone still uses Chime. That may just be a peculiarity of my department, but saying "Amazon as a company switched to slack" is definitely overstating what happened.