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Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by samatman »

disown wrote: post #258
toomuchtodo wrote: post #159

Say what you will about Github and Microsoft, this was a classy move. A million dollars is a million dollars. "Putting your money where your mouth is". "Nonetheless, developers who want to push back against unwarranted takedowns may face the risk of taking on personal liability and legal defense costs. To help them, GitHub will establish and donate $1M to a developer defense fund to help protect open source developer…

> A million dollars is a million dollars. Not if you are a company worth $1.6 trillion dollars. But that $1 million dollars probably bought them a lot more in free press. To put it into perspective, it would be like someone worth $1.6 million giving a homeless person $1, filming it, putting it on youtube and profiting off of it. > Thanks Microsoft/Github. Is this real? Edit: Of course the downvotes. Not sure if emplo…

Your metaphor is kind of silly, since it compares the EFF with the unhoused, but, playing along, it's more like someone worth 16 billion giving an unhoused person $10,000.

A million bucks is real money, EFF can do a lot of good with it. They're not going to buy a pack of chewing gum with it.

I'm old enough that I doubt anything will ever turn me around on Microsoft, it annoys me to no end that they bought Github. But by the same token, I'm big on the EFF, and I'm stoked that they scored some loot: I'll give Microsoft credit for that, but the only way I'm forgiving the company its past sins is if it liquidates the company and sets up a charitable fund for free software.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by dylan604 »

larzang wrote: post #271
kovek wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'd rather cut this problem off at the head I don't understand what you mean by this! I know it's an expression or a way of saying something, but I don't understand what you mean

"Removing outdated or poorly written laws by paying off Congress is more effective than funding lawyers to litigate their misuse on a case by case basis forever"

I'm guessing RIAA's lobbyists are more powerful than an EFF lobbyist. By powerful, I mean have deeper pockets.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by qppo »

bluGill wrote: post #308
throwaway373438 wrote: post #269

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are suggesting lobbying to change the law, rather than struggling with current law in court.

Don't lobby. go to your local caucus and change it from within. Note that I said Caucus: even in a primary state there is some form of caucus where the party decides things. You want to be in this system, this is where the party platform is decided on. This is where the people who are working behind the scene to elect someone make the plans. In turn this is where politicians go to find people who will work for them.…

Lobbying is not the same thing as campaign fundraising

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by ldjb »

Aissen wrote: post #335
TechBro8615 wrote: post #212

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AFAIU the argument is more that youtube-dl is effectively a web browser and doesn’t do anything that a web browser doesn’t do. Further, it does not include any “secret” key for DRM circumvention like might be bundled with e.g. Chrome in the case of Widevine, where browser vendors agree to protect the secret key.

If a program had its own implementation of widevine, why wouldn't you also be "effectively a web browser" ?

Sure, it would be "effectively a web browser". But it would also require a secret key. If the program is not licensed to hold the key, that could be considered circumvention.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by drilldrive »

bigbubba wrote: post #85
codetrotter wrote: post #77

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Yeah but sometimes it really is everyone else that is wrong. For example, when most people used to think the world was flat.

'Everybody' thinks RMS is wrong. He has the worst case of Cassandra's curse I've ever heard of. But I think it tends to not work like this. Incidentally, the flat earth thing is mostly a myth; literate people have know the earth is round since the ancient Greeks figured it out. Columbus was ridiculed for thinking the Earth was smaller than it really is (his critics were right) and the only reason his trip didn't end…

What is RMS?

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by ComputerGuru »

hardmath123 wrote: post #267

A gem in the EFF's letter ( https://github.com/github/dmca/blob/master/2020/11/2020-11-1... ) > To borrow an analogy from literature, travelers come upon a door that has writing in a foreign language. When translated, the writing says "say 'friend' and enter." The travelers say "friend" and the door opens. As with the writing on that door, YouTube presents instructions on accessing video streams to everyone who comes…

For those that haven’t experienced the joy of Tolkien’s writing, this is a reference to the Elvish inscription on the Doors of Durin in The Fellowship of the Ring, that is simultaneously a riddle and literal instructions on entering.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by dylan604 »

jhasse wrote: post #328
kmonsen wrote: post #256

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Pretty sure Google is ensuring employees to give money to EFF.

They should use the power of Chrome to discourage the use of DRM on the web instead.

I know you are dead serious and I agree, but this made me laugh at how such an obvious answer can be so absurd to the company itself since it's their window to the world of users. You and I would say that is their leverage in the fight of abusive DRM, yet they would argue it is what allows them to survive.
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