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Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by throwa2233 »

hengheng wrote: post #240
core-questions wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see you've rediscovered the publisher vs. platform dichotomy! Those of us who believe in free speech understand that people will say things we don't like, and further understand that the sacrifice of ignoring content we dislike is worth it for the greater principle. I know this is difficult when people are saying things you believe to be untrue, but thus far nobody has come up with an alternative that doesn't resul…

I've never heard this type of speech at a bar when I asked why somebody wasn't shown the door. I guess they didn't have a greater principle. One core value that a platform could have is common decency, which is not the same as censorship, but it is given up even easier than what your argument calls free speech.

Common decency means do not question any historical or present narrative that is outside the comfort zone of even one person

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by BurningFrog »

kelnos wrote: post #317
chii wrote: post #281

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> A bookstore refusing to carry books by certain authors is in no way censorship so i have to make my own bookstore just to sell that book? I'd say that's pretty close to censorship. Even tho the constitution doesn't stop private censorship (only gov't censorship), it isn't a good outcome imo.

If you can't find even one existing bookstore to carry your book, perhaps your views or ideas are so toxic that you should rethink them. Either way: still not censorship.

Or perhaps the society I live in is so toxic that my sane ideas can't reach out.

To spell it out, your reasoning assumes that the prevailing consensus in any society is good.

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by pdkl95 »

> I run a YouTube channel that is over 10 years old, has over 770,000 subscribers, almost 600 public videos, 120,000,000 views

When writing software involved in managing a live, public, massively multi-user system, the traditional unix-style commands that are immediate, often silent, and capable of damaging effects become a really easy way to shoot yourself in the foot. Worse, some commands might let you accidentally shoot everyone's foot on a typo. The traditional example is accidentally typing something like "rm -f * .bak" (note the extra space after the star).

For a good discussion of this type of problem, I highly recommend Bryan Cantrill's talk[1] about the time an operator accidentally rebooted an entire datacenter with a single miss-typed command.

The general solution to this is building sanity checks into the software. The user just asked to reformat 500 hosts, but almost all previous uses olf the 'reformat' command affected less than 10 hosts. Maybe we should ask for verification from an actual human if they really intended to run this unusually destructive command.

Why doesn't YouTube have this kind of sanity check in their automated takedown/strike/channel-deletion tools? Google wrote automation that can decide to delete a channel with a long history and many successful videos. Why doesn't that automation have basic sanity checks that ask for operator input when asked to do an unusually destructive action like deleting a 10 year old channel with a huge history?

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30jNsCVLpAE

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by Psychlist »

chii wrote: post #281
Gene_Parmesan wrote: post #259

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I've never understood people's conflation of "I do not like your speech" with "censorship." A bookstore refusing to carry books by certain authors is in no way censorship, for instance (the books still exist, just not in that bookstore), yet when we bring things into the digital realm for some reason people seem to lose the distinction. Let me put it this way. Nothing is stopping hateful people from creating their ow…

> A bookstore refusing to carry books by certain authors is in no way censorship so i have to make my own bookstore just to sell that book? I'd say that's pretty close to censorship. Even tho the constitution doesn't stop private censorship (only gov't censorship), it isn't a good outcome imo.

Yes, if that's what it takes.

Flip it around: Imagine you have a tattoo. You're publishing the one tattoo therefore "free speech" means you have to publish all the tattoos? Should you be obliged to allow a big "Kick whites out of America" tattoo next to whatever tattoo you have chosen to wear?

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by dundercoder »

renewiltord wrote: post #85
dundercoder wrote: post #2

This is not atypical for YouTube. I had a full on paid gsuite account and when they lost my channel there was “nothing we can do”. I had the video backed up, but lost all the links, views, and subscribers.

Thanks for sharing that. Did anything happen to the remainder of your Gsuite?

No, the rest was fine. My channel was all original music that I own the rights to. No clue why.

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by gruez »

StavrosK wrote: post #330
im3w1l wrote: post #294

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I use my own domain, but now I'm scared I'll miss a payment instead.

I prepay for three years, but it's not like they'll just suspend your account with no warning, they know how important email is.

prepaying doesn't really solve the problem, it merely delays it. you need to set a reminder or something.

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by shanecp »

n_u_l_l wrote: post #311
throwayws wrote: post #17

https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/9374251?hl=en > It’s important that creators always have detailed knowledge about who is claiming content in their videos, where it appears, and what they can do to resolve the claim. That’s why all new manual claims will require copyright owners to provide timestamps to indicate exactly where their copyrighted content appears in videos they claim, and we’ve updated our editi…

Disclaimer: I have extensive knowledge about YouTube Content ID (CID) and DMCA notices, but I'm not a lawyer. This isn't legal advice. He received a DMCA takedown, which is different from a copyright claim. Copyright claiming is a system made by YouTube for copyright owners to easily monetize/monitor reuse of their content instead of having to take down the content. It also allows splitting revenue in cases where one…

If this is related to a DMCA notification, shouldn't YouTube removing the (alleged) video that violates the law, and not delete the whole channel?

I guess that's how Google's index works, they remove indexed results, but not the whole index.

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by kelnos »

davidivadavid wrote: post #95
mcint wrote: post #77

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> all new manual claims It must not be a manual complaint. That's some nice PR-Legalese.

Video explicitly shows it's a manual complaint.

There's a difference. If someone manually claims a video through YT's content-ID system, they have to provide timestamps (this is enforced by Google).

If someone just sends a regular DMCA notice, they're only required (by law) to provide the URL, and Google has no choice but to take down everything at that URL, until/unless they receive a counter-claim from the poster.

The content-ID stuff is a convenience outside the law, if content owners (who have access to it) choose to use it. Anyone can file a DMCA notice, and Google has to respond in a particular way in order to be compliant with the law, and cannot impose extra requirements (like timestamps) before acting on the DMCA claim.

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by ryukafalz »

jethro_tell wrote: post #251
el_dev_hell wrote: post #242

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I managed to get myself temporarily locked out of a 10+ year old gmail account 2 months ago. I managed to get it back easily (finding my old phone sim and resetting). But it was a traumatic experience. I signed up for Fastmail that day and did a complete download of all data. I'm still in the migration phase (which is a pain), but I'm aiming to go completely gmail free for the rest of my life. I implore anyone readin…

Another option is to control the domain. That is what I recommend for any account that is used to make money in any way. In the event you have a dispute with your email host, you can simply change the domain MX records. You may lose a few hours or a couple days of email, but your name doesn't disappear out of thin air.

Just make sure you don’t forget to renew the domain.
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