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Amazon deletes job listings for analysts to track ‘labor organizing threats’

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L7 is a Level 7 employee, going from lowest to highest, Bezos is level 12. ER is Employee Relations (HR).

I also figured that out by searching, but what does it mean in context ? I.e. what is the significance of talking to people at that level vs one above or below, and why, given limited ad space, would you include this detail? You could try to figure this out by trying to map out all of amazon and see how far away from Bezos your “stakeholders” are, but so what? It’s a signal that tells some people much more informatio…

it's not an unusual callout for an Amazon job. Some roles are very technical, you can be heads down working on code or doing data analysis almost all the time and what talking you do is to your teammates. If you need to communicate up in your own org you just tell your direct boss, across orgs you tell a program manager, either of who will be reasonably technical. Other jobs you are expected to present directly to the higher level, non-technical folks. L7 is "upper middle management", so likely have been in the management world for long enough to need some abstraction laid onto the detail.

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Having been a part of a union I was mandated to enter when I took the job until the supreme court ruled that wasn't legal, actual unions are a far cry from how they are portrayed as helping the worker. I would honestly do anything in my power to not have to work in a union again. They are set up as antagonistic between administration and workers, and adds a layer of bureaucracy that I've only seen be negative. I've w…

> actual unions are a far cry from how they are portrayed as helping the worker. But that's life. Real capitalism is also a far cry from the fairy tale capitalism presented by many popular economics books and articles (e.g. the beautiful self-regulating system where everyone is better off in the end by definition). > They are set up as antagonistic between administration and workers, and adds a layer of bureaucracy t…

I am no fan of unions, but I think they were necessary to force business owners to treat workers decently - to make them pay better than starvation wages, and have decent working conditions. Then came the Cold War, and business owners had an extra incentive to treat workers decently: it undercut communist propaganda, and business owners did not want communism in the country where they owned a business. And so workers didn't think unions were necessary, because they were getting a decent enough deal.

Then the Cold War ended. And about the same time, union membership went into a steep decline. And the business owners have been slurping up all the money in the economy, and paying workers closer and closer to starvation wages. (And there's the working conditions at Amazon, which are... not treating employees decently.) This sounds more and more like the conditions where unions grew strong, because the workers found them to be necessary.

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Disgraceful. But will anything be done, judicially, legally? Not a chance. Tells you all you need to know.

I'm pretty sure it isn't illegal to seek out an employee with strike-busting knowledge.

Yes, and that's wrong.

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Nah. I think I am pretty ok will calling someone who does this a murderer. That is totally fine in my book to call them that.

Murder requires intent...

This may be a case of competing definitions. It sounds like you're using a legal definition.

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Why is this a surprise? If you work in infosec at any multinational you would know activists (hacktivism) and hostile nations/leaders are a serious threat you track. Has no one heard of Dataminr? What do people think it's used for. The "labor" part is a bit unusual but given their business it kinda makes sense. This reminds me of how back in 2016 right before November US elections,I read threat intel reports and conf…

Who said it was a surprise?

We're seeing it here because people made a big deal out of it on social media.

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Maybe because a lot of people on HN are small business owners, and unions take power away from business owners and can and will force you to do things to the detriment of your business if they deem it in the best interests of the union members.

Most of people on HN work at large tech companies. In my experience the majority consensus in the industry is that a union would do more harm than good, but of course that is infinitely debatable.

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+1 to your post and links. I'm also surprised by how much anti-union sentiment exists in the US; things like the 40-hour workweek and concept of overtime were paid for in blood.

Now the work week is less than 30 hours. Yay! All it took was requiring health insurance for employees with 30 hours. By that strategy, we could have a 10-hour work week if we wanted it.

The burden of health insurance shouldn't fall to the business anyway. It is the responsibility of the federal government.

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Nah. I think I am pretty ok will calling someone who does this a murderer. That is totally fine in my book to call them that.

Murder requires intent...

I'm comfortable assuming intent when someone discharges a kinetic weapon at a occupied vehicle. If the car was parked and they assumed it was unoccupied you might have a point.

I wouldn't have any trouble believing there were more attempted murders on the part of the anti-union side, or that this example happened differently than described, but what was described was clearly a (successful) attempt to kill someone.

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I don't know of anyone who disputes the killing of Wilkie happened or claims that it was somehow exaggerated. As a taxi driver he was also not a police officer or an agent of the state. He was not armed or causing violence to anyone. He was just driving someone who didn't agree with the union to work. So they killed him.

They dropped a concrete block on his car. It wasn't attempted murder it was attempted property damage. So, yes, they killed him and were rightly imprisoned for manslaughter.

How is dropping a concrete block on someone from 27 feet up not expected to kill them? Miners should have more common sense than that.

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corpitized unions (anything union organisation bigger then 1 location of 1 employer) are goons.

So what does that make corporations with more than 1 location?

I believe "cartel" would be the closest technical term.
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