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Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86

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Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86

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Post by FillardMillmore »

adsjhdashkj wrote: post #263
dmitryminkovsky wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why exclude FF? It’s good.

Currently. Though Mozilla is giving no clear plans on continuing the projects importance. If anything it seems Mozilla is planning for an eventual sunset. Hoping to have revenue alternatives for when Firefox is irrelevant and they stop supporting it. Firing a team building a meaningful advancement in Firefox's tech stack is a big signal, imo.

Is it possible that if Mozilla folded or stopped supporting Firefox that the open-source community would continue to support it?

Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86

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Post by thethethethe »

maest wrote: post #307
thethethethe wrote: post #256

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How this this a straw man? Parent is just agreeing with gp that a lot of HN users are obsessed with AMP and it’s supposed evils Disclaimer: googler opinions are my own

Nobody is claiming the following ridiculous statements: > every single one of the 100k engineers that work there do nothing but dream up ways to trick people into using AMP for some secret illuminati end goal. > every single UX change to a product with a billion users is part of the vast AMPiracy.

First of all, parent is not arguing with anyone, they are building on gp’s comment.

Parent is using hyperbole as a rhetorical tool to make a point, not to distort or discredit a particular persons statements

Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86

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Post by unethical_ban »

donor20 wrote: post #68

Wow - top posts are conspiracy theories. "The only reason to do this..." "This is a security issue..." Google has millions / billions of users. From a security standpoint the focus should be entirely on the root domain, that is the only really meaningful root of trust. If you are talking about a security issue - the KEY security issue is ANY lack of clarity around root domain. "Showing the full URL may detract from t…

They could emphasize the FQDN without removing the URL.

Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86

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Post by FillardMillmore »

IX-103 wrote: post #328
nessunodoro wrote: post #207

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Google is many different companies and products, and some of them I'm so grateful for. They provide a simple product that does something magically better than the competition, don't screw with the recipe. I give them my data because I like the service. But the company-wide decision to manipulate the URL as a business strategy drains all my enthusiasm. The "U" is really important! The URL is basically a filename that…

Is it really a company-wide strategy to manipulate the URL? The Chrome change was based on user studies that showed that people do not understand URLs. The days of URLs as a data access key are gone. So many other things (cookies, etc) go into controlling what pages show that what was originally a 1:1 mapping between URL and content is now a many to many mapping. I'm not saying that's how it should be, but that's the…

Do you happen to have a link to those studies?

Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86

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Post by _xoo »

dmitryminkovsky wrote: post #272
brundolf wrote: post #260

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I've been using Firefox/Safari on my personal devices for a couple years now, but as a web developer I unfortunately can't not use Chrome at work because of its dev tools. I try to test on other browsers when I have time - I've always made a point to push for supporting at least Firefox, as an organization - but when I'm iterating I really just need the Chrome tools. Firefox's tools always remained one or two steps b…

I agree about DDG, but not dev tools. I used to think they weren’t as good, but they are good. And I think I’m a pretty serious dev tools user. BUT, if you want to keep using Chrome dev tools that doesn’t mean you can’t switch to FF. Just de-personalize Chrome (clear you history, sessions, settings etc) and then you’ll stop using it. Say you’re developing and open a new tab to search something on SO: you won’t be log…

I disagree about DDG :). For work-related searches I'm really satisfied with the results and I find answers quickly. I would even go as far as to say that it works better for me than Google's search. I experienced it the other way around. When using DDG for personal use or results about local things I often tend to use the Google bang as Google has the better localized results.

Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

MockObject wrote: post #118
avasthe wrote: post #76

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It need not be malice. It maybe because the design people think people are too stupid to understand URLs. As other comment mentioned, Safari does it too. The trend seems to be abstracting away stuff like filesystem. Many people I know don't even organize stuff into folders on their phones. Everyone seems to dump everything in Download or something like that. The existence of separate applications for Music, Video and…

> It maybe because the design people think people are too stupid to understand URLs You may be right, but it's hard to see why this would be a concern in 2020. The number of users who have actually grown up with URLs in their childhood increases all the time.

> The number of users who have actually grown up with URLs in their childhood increases all the time.

Where do kids growing up with iPads even see a URL?

You’d be shocked how bad they even are at using a physical keyboard and trackpad in 2020

Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86

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Post by hombre_fatal »

gsich wrote: post #312
jakeva wrote: post #279

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17% is little to none?

More like 3% on the desktop. Mobile is not really relevant here. The URL bar on those devices is obviously shorter to begin with because of less display width. So just showing the hostname is not much different than showing the hostname + 5 characters.

Reminds me of a great phishing attack I saw the other year:

"https://support.google.com.verify.x82loo2a.com"

Of course, in a tiny url bar, you'd just see "https://support.google.com.veri".

Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86

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Post by xeromal »

freedomben wrote: post #164
scott_s wrote: post #107

Something I haven't seen anyone here bring up yet: many URLs are meaningless to humans past the domain. For an example, look at the top of this page. The only semantic meaning in the URL for this post is `news.ycombinator.com`. The rest, `item?id=24156986`, is meaningless to a human. (But, of course, meaningful to HN's backend.) A lot of (most?) of the URLs on the web are not semantic . They're naked application look…

I don't agree at all that the URL is meaningless to humans. If I want my friend to read this page, I copy the link and send it to him. That ID above is clearly the comment page ID. I don't have to see the backend code to know that. I'm certainly not an average user, but I am a human. The URL on nearly every site gives me all sorts of information.

Yeah, but you're going to copy that URL to your buddy. You're not going to read it out to him.

Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86

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Post by rory096 »

rrobukef wrote: post #325
walrus01 wrote: post #86

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I encourage everyone to use Firefox on Android just for the one killer feature of being able to install the full desktop ublock origin plugin.

The recent mobile Firefox is worse in every way that matters to me: ° Breaking recent add-ons (for the few add-ons that exist). I added a close-tab icon to compensate for the bad tab-ui. It's gone now. ° URL-bar hiding is wonkey. Some overlays disable hiding due to recent phising attacks. Now, for overlays, it is always present and hides the bottom of the page. This is very annoying when links are hidden behind the b…

On the other hand, Chrome for Android killing off Duet a few weeks ago has made it actively painful every time I need to switch tabs.
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