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TikTok’s Chinese owner offers to forego stake to clinch U.S. deal – sources

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Post by learc83 »

zanny wrote: post #290
philsnow wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The promise of "upward potential" of every one of these social media fads is that it could be the "last" one, the Big One that websites and captures every following generation. Do you think that TikTok is The Big One, that will still be growing at the same rate in ten years' time? I don't. Myspace and Facebook are shrinking. Some of the users leaving are going to TikTok, sure, but I don't think that means that it's b…

Importantly its because kids don't want to be a part of the "old" culture. They actively reject entering places with an older established demographic because they want to define their own spaces. Tiktok by its nature cannot maintain the momentum it has with kids 14-18 now with the kids that are currently 8-12. They will reject it no matter what Tiktok does because thats how kids are conditioned in the west to behave.

I think it’s less that they won’t to define their own space than that they don’t want to hangout with their parents.

But your point holds either way. Eventually TikTok will become so popular that their parents/grandparents/older siblings will start using it, and it won’t be cool anymore.

Re: TikTok’s Chinese owner offers to forego stake to clinch U.S. deal – sources

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Post by frequentnapper »

billfruit wrote: post #195

As someone from the third world this leaves a very bad feeling if it happens. I do expect it runs into legal hurdles before that. Neither Apple nor Google have found TikTok problematic enough to delist them from their app stores. Neither is there charges that TikTok may have broken US laws. Banning something which hasn't broken US laws, on arbitrary grounds shouldn't be possible. The President shouldn't have authorit…

Well then China should not actively be sabotaging western businesses and governments through various means. You get what you sow. About time somebody took a hard stance towards the Chinese govt.

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Post by pm90 »

hourislate wrote: post #258
m3kw9 wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The type of entertainment TikTok provides is getting tiring. Is like fb videos on turbo. Sugar high can only last so long

It exposes the level of mental illness in America and around the world. You have teens threatening to kill themselves if it gets banned. What will all these girls do if they can't get some attention and a dopamine hit every few hours. Woman are taking to Tik Tok and posting farewells crying and dancing. Some are even threatening the President. The app is poison but perhaps it's no worse than Insta, Twatter and FB and…

Please don’t bring this kind of holier than thou preaching to this forum. Just because you’re not the target audience doesn’t mean you can call the users as being “mentally ill”. ALL humans crave dopamine hits (what brought you to this forum?).

Dance and music is how a certain demographic of humanity lives to express themselves, and there is an app that lets them do so. What the hell is your problem? Who are you to take it away from them?

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Post by dgellow »

solarhoma wrote: post #279
billfruit wrote: post #195

As someone from the third world this leaves a very bad feeling if it happens. I do expect it runs into legal hurdles before that. Neither Apple nor Google have found TikTok problematic enough to delist them from their app stores. Neither is there charges that TikTok may have broken US laws. Banning something which hasn't broken US laws, on arbitrary grounds shouldn't be possible. The President shouldn't have authorit…

Google and Apple have not delisted tiktok because China is a huge market for the companies. They are playing the part of Switzerland.

> They are playing the part of Switzerland.

What does that even mean?

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Post by [deleted] »

xzel wrote: post #210
WilTimSon wrote: post #187

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Well, YouTube's core audience isn't going there for TikTok-style content (no judgement on that content either way.) They mostly come for vlogs, let's play's, tutorial videos, video essays, etc. Also worth noting that YouTube is a money sink so it's not like it's the most lucrative business model.

I've heard the argument a few times YouTube actually loses money, besides just being a money sink. Does anyone have anything from Google talking about margins or profit/loss of youtube? I've never been able to find anything concrete on the issue. This is the best I've ever been able to find [1] 1. https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/3/21121207/youtube-google-al...

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Re: TikTok’s Chinese owner offers to forego stake to clinch U.S. deal – sources

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Post by jchw »

billfruit wrote: post #195

As someone from the third world this leaves a very bad feeling if it happens. I do expect it runs into legal hurdles before that. Neither Apple nor Google have found TikTok problematic enough to delist them from their app stores. Neither is there charges that TikTok may have broken US laws. Banning something which hasn't broken US laws, on arbitrary grounds shouldn't be possible. The President shouldn't have authorit…

As a United States citizen, I don’t agree that we’re obligated to play fairly with someone who brazenly refuses to do so for us. That’s all I really have to say about this.

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Post by jorblumesea »

billfruit wrote: post #195

As someone from the third world this leaves a very bad feeling if it happens. I do expect it runs into legal hurdles before that. Neither Apple nor Google have found TikTok problematic enough to delist them from their app stores. Neither is there charges that TikTok may have broken US laws. Banning something which hasn't broken US laws, on arbitrary grounds shouldn't be possible. The President shouldn't have authorit…

I think it's just treating China to their own bad behavior in order for them to "shape up". If they want access to Western markets they need to provide similar openness. There's no obligation to treat China fairly if they do not treat the rest of the world with fairness.

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Post by Jweb_Guru »

thereare5lights wrote: post #339
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #277

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Not that it justifies our behavior, but I can’t help but cringe a bit when considering how China locks American companies out of its market but expects better access for Chinese companies in the American market. America-Chinese relations started going downhill in 2009 when China thought it prudent to start blocking most Americans services, America just took a decade to follow up with similar bad behavior.

Your comment boils down to they did it so why can't we? That flies in the face of the supposed moral leadership (of the world) of our country.

America's morality has always come down to "might makes right" and it's quite clear that many people believe that's a perfectly satisfactory state of affairs.

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Post by Grimm1 »

pm90 wrote: post #330
toomuchtodo wrote: post #321

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How else would you negotiate with a bully like China? America is a bully too, but without Uighur concentration camps, fleets of fishing vessels farming the sea to extinction, outrageous claims over the South China Sea, etc. You can only turn a blind eye so long to a competitor’s unreasonable actions (in this scope, IP/trade secrets and the like). As a US citizen, I endorse any actions intended to remove or subdue CCP…

If you’re going to list vices, you better list those of both sides. America is the largest emitter of greenhouse gases by far and is this directly responsible for the climate change catastrophes we are watching unfold before our eyes. EDIT: this fact is incorrect, please see child comment for the facts. It looks like China currently emits twice the amount of Greenhouse gases emitted by the US. (Not justifying what Ch…

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2019/07/14/china-us-cou...

Easily fact checked. China doubles the US on both Co2 and Methane emissions.

Edit: Got downvoted, but it's still true the above post is outright incorrect information.

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Post by gmantg »

e-clinton wrote: post #308

They’re banning TikTok because they don’t want a Chinese company having direct access to the location, camera, and microphones of hundreds of millions of Americans. I have the app installed and have all those permissions disabled. I understand that it seems unfair but I get where they’re coming from given that China isn’t exactly a saint when it comes to spying/civil rights. I think it Microsoft agrees to take owners…

Most smartphones are made in China, so CCP has access to them at the hardware level. My bet is that tiktok has hacked the human psychology: it's an equivalent of addictive sugary drink spiced with coke; it's a problem by itself, but it's a much bigger problem once we realise who manipulates the us citizens. I see tiktok as a backdoor into democracy: it can sway opinions of the masses or it can run social experiments.
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