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Re: Andrew Ng: The suspension of H1B is bad for the US and bad for innovation

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> An actual shortage would, by definition, mean that, at least in the short term, no amount of price pressure would meet the need, because of a supply constraint that prevents response to price level changes. There are over a million Arabic speakers in the US, hundreds of thousands of whom are legally able to do the work. I strongly suspect that a number sufficient to handle the city of Detroit's translation needs co…

> There are over a million Arabic speakers in the US, hundreds of thousands of whom are legally able to do the work. I strongly suspect that a number sufficient to handle the city of Detroit's translation needs That's an argument that there is not an actual shortage (which, I suspect, is correct), not that an actual shortage could be addressed by bidding higher with wages (which it could not, by definition .) > What…

The thing with H-1B visas is they tie the immigrant employee to a specific employer, thus giving the employees little ability to negotiate for raises. It also results in H-1B visa holding immigrants being paid significantly less for their contributions.

In contrast, adrr's suggestion above to "stack rank h1b applicants by salary instead of using a lottery system" would result in a system where H-1B holding immigrants are well-paid and "shortages" result in rising wages over time.

Re: sudden shocks, I agree with you. Market pricing will tend to fix imbalances over time (barring extreme regulation or other distortions), but it does take time. In a truly extraordinary situation such as you suggest where huge swaths of the population are suddenly dead or incapacitated, you'd have a reasonable argument against market pricing. I don't believe the H-1B was ever intended for such catastrophic scenarios, though.

Re: Andrew Ng: The suspension of H1B is bad for the US and bad for innovation

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Beg to differ. H1B's may live the high life in Big Tech, but that is not the experience of most H1Bs. For the rest, it is akin to indentured servitude. They are dramatically underpaid compared to American counterparts and unable to change jobs without losing your place in line for citizenship. I have worked with Indian subcontractors that have waited 20 years! H1B is nothing more than the wealthy using labor arbitrag…

>I have worked with Indian subcontractors that have waited 20 years! And you think this suspension will help them?

The solution is not to increase them, that's for sure. The solution is to abolish the quota system which Democrats keep upholding for their Big Tech overlords.

Re: Andrew Ng: The suspension of H1B is bad for the US and bad for innovation

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American immigrant to Canada here. Canada has skilled worker permanent residence visas that, in many cases (and ignoring temporary pandemic-related delays), take half a year or less from start to finish. Mine was slower but still faster than a lot of immigrant experiences to the US, and I did it from outside Canada and without an employer involved at all. The skilled worker visas don't need family in country, though…

Like I said in another comment though - Canada's immigration system does not focus on family reunification like the United States. 63% of Green Cards are awarded based on family connection [0] not employment based sponsorship vs 26% in Canada [1]. The US is an outlier in this regard. Not many countries allow you to sponsor a sibling for Permanent Residency. [0] https://www.boundless.com/blog/dhs-data-2018/ [1] https:…

Canada does make it pretty easy to sponsor a spouse, common-law partner, or single children under age 22 for permanent residence. In fact it's far easier and faster than the US equivalent.

You're right about the relative percentages between the countries, but that's simply because the US makes even skilled economic immigration far more difficult than Canada. All common kinds of immigration are easier in Canada, though neither country makes it truly easy as was true more than a century ago.

You're right that there are only very narrow cases where Canada allows sponsoring siblings, unlike the US. But those kinds of differences go both ways: for example, Canada allows common-law partner sponsorship after 1 year of cohabitation without requiring marriage, whereas the US doesn't. (I am not referring to what the US calls "common-law marriage" but to a type of relationship that continues not to be treated the same as marriage under Canadian law, except where specifically indicated.)

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