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Re: University of the People: Tuition-Free, Accredited Online Degree Programs

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Post by zo1 »

knowuh wrote: post #281
khawkins wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is under the assumption that you see college is a program of self-betterment and not busy work for receiving a degree that says you can have a middle-class job. It feels like even the universities themselves see it as the latter these days.

The cynical anti-intellectualism in this thread is bracing. All part of the zeitgeist I guess. News is fake. Science is fake. Schools are barriers. Everything is subjective, objective reality is nonexistent. How do we have productive disagreements going forward?

>"How do we have productive disagreements going forward?"

We are barely having any of those right now in the greater society. As long as we can't argue facts, objective-reality and do so without feelings, we'll continue descending into anarchy and divisiveness.

Re: University of the People: Tuition-Free, Accredited Online Degree Programs

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Post by watwut »

michaelt wrote: post #289
watwut wrote: post #286

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Neither John Carmack nor Donald Knuth nor Bruce Schneier became famous because of blogging. The only one who became famous for blogging was Joel Spolsky who blogged more as technical manager or entrepreneur then engineer. Joel Spolsky also blogged when light management blogs were rare and would show up high in google search. It was something new back then, it is not something new now.

Knuth and Schneier both wrote highly influential books, though, which I would argue are examples of programmer plus writing skills equals famous programmer

Which is not the same thing as having blog. It is completely different. They also wrote under different conditions as blogs are written - book was paid work and publishers pass your books through editors.

Also, Bruce Schneier is not a programmer. He can code, but the bulk of his work is not programming.

Re: University of the People: Tuition-Free, Accredited Online Degree Programs

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Post by chrisseaton »

jki275 wrote: post #335
chrisseaton wrote: post #324

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I don't think you understand. The reason this college is useless for academic purposes is nothing to do with its accreditation - it's to do with its reputation. We know accreditation is irrelevant, as other colleges do fine with out. You can be accredited and have a reputation, or you can be not accredited and have a reputation, or you can be accredited and not have a reputation, or you can be not accredited and not…

You're making an argument from absurdity, and you're wrong. Stanford and Harvard don't need accreditation because they are among the premiere universities on the planet. Stanford is regionally accredited by the way, I'm not sure why you keep arguing they're not (your confusion is probably that they dropped their ABET accreditation in CS which is not required for CS although some universities do maintain it). Actually…

> and you're wrong ... even Harvard is accredited

Lol you're the one who told me it wasn't! You said 'Neither does Harvard.'

> Stanford and Harvard don't need accreditation because they are among the premiere universities on the planet

No, they don't need accreditation because nobody cares about accreditation.

Re: University of the People: Tuition-Free, Accredited Online Degree Programs

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Post by jki275 »

chrisseaton wrote: post #343
jki275 wrote: post #335

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're making an argument from absurdity, and you're wrong. Stanford and Harvard don't need accreditation because they are among the premiere universities on the planet. Stanford is regionally accredited by the way, I'm not sure why you keep arguing they're not (your confusion is probably that they dropped their ABET accreditation in CS which is not required for CS although some universities do maintain it). Actually…

> and you're wrong ... even Harvard is accredited Lol you're the one who told me it wasn't! You said 'Neither does Harvard.' > Stanford and Harvard don't need accreditation because they are among the premiere universities on the planet No, they don't need accreditation because nobody cares about accreditation .

Please don't cut sections out of what I wrote and deceptively edit it to make it look like I said something entirely different.

I said your argument is wrong and that Stanford, which you claimed was not accredited, is in fact accredited, and you are confused about what accreditation means, as ABET accreditation is not what we're talking about, but regional accreditation, which is the standard.

Most CS programs are not ABET accredited and do not find it necessary.

I had been told before that Harvard was not accredited and that was clearly incorrect, so I also corrected that in my comment with the information I found when I looked it up.

Re: University of the People: Tuition-Free, Accredited Online Degree Programs

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Post by uopeoplestudent »

jki275 wrote: post #332
uopeoplestudent wrote: post #331

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> your school that advertises itself as free but isn't Tuition free, which it is. https://www.uopeople.edu/tuition-free/what-is-tuition-free/ "UoPeople’s Tuition-Free Model is 100% real! We offer degree programs absolutely tuition-free, thanks to our generous donors who support our mission. To help support the university’s continued operation, UoPeople charges a $60 application fee, and an Assessment Fee per course c…

I'm not. It's not tuition free, it has "fees" that replace tuition, and its accreditation is worthless, and the school goes to great lengths not to make that clear to its applicants. And your "UC Berkeley" statement says "will consider", not will admit and not will transfer. It's very very mealy mouthed in terms of whether anyone actually gets in. You're the one with the incentive to spread misinformation, and that's…

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

> Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email us and we'll look at the data.

Report me, then.

Re: University of the People: Tuition-Free, Accredited Online Degree Programs

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Post by rootusrootus »

cguess wrote: post #103
eikenberry wrote: post #84

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This isn't restricted to untraditional schools. At least one of our local state universities have stopped accepting credits from the community colleges due to the practice of transferring for the final couple years. Might be something similar going on here. It might be that they want the degree to represent the full 4 year experience at the school or it might just be the money. The cynic in me prefers the latter.

A degree says something about the student. I completely understand why universities would not want to accept credits from school below their own qualification level. If they confer a degree to a student that student is representing the university's education quality to everyone that hires them or works with them. Spending three years at a community college and expecting the credits to transfer to a major university m…

> Spending three years at a community college

This makes no sense. Spend as long as you want at the community college, transfer all the credits you want, by definition they will all be 1xx or 2xx classes. Your degree will require half the classes to be 3xx & 4xx, so you will always have to spend at least two years at the university.

Re: University of the People: Tuition-Free, Accredited Online Degree Programs

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Post by chrisseaton »

jki275 wrote: post #344
chrisseaton wrote: post #343

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> and you're wrong ... even Harvard is accredited Lol you're the one who told me it wasn't! You said 'Neither does Harvard.' > Stanford and Harvard don't need accreditation because they are among the premiere universities on the planet No, they don't need accreditation because nobody cares about accreditation .

Please don't cut sections out of what I wrote and deceptively edit it to make it look like I said something entirely different. I said your argument is wrong and that Stanford , which you claimed was not accredited, is in fact accredited, and you are confused about what accreditation means, as ABET accreditation is not what we're talking about, but regional accreditation, which is the standard. Most CS programs are n…

Have you ever applied to a job and been asked if your college was accredited?

Have you ever hired someone and stopped to check if their college was accredited?

Re: University of the People: Tuition-Free, Accredited Online Degree Programs

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Post by [deleted] »

knowuh wrote: post #281
khawkins wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is under the assumption that you see college is a program of self-betterment and not busy work for receiving a degree that says you can have a middle-class job. It feels like even the universities themselves see it as the latter these days.

The cynical anti-intellectualism in this thread is bracing. All part of the zeitgeist I guess. News is fake. Science is fake. Schools are barriers. Everything is subjective, objective reality is nonexistent. How do we have productive disagreements going forward?

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Re: University of the People: Tuition-Free, Accredited Online Degree Programs

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Post by tahdjri »

zepto wrote: post #316
zarathustreal wrote: post #291

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>Any science or truth exists only at the whims of the social order of the day. This is not objectively true but I understand what you're trying to say. I'm sad to hear that your experience of science and truth has been only that which society has given you, or at the least that you feel that others are only experiencing it in that way

This is a crucial argument. Do you have a link to something that supports your statement that “this is not objectively true”? I think it would help a lot in these debates.

>Any science or truth exists only at the whims of the social order of the day.

gravity exists independent of social order

Re: University of the People: Tuition-Free, Accredited Online Degree Programs

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Post by jki275 »

chrisseaton wrote: post #347
jki275 wrote: post #344

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't cut sections out of what I wrote and deceptively edit it to make it look like I said something entirely different. I said your argument is wrong and that Stanford , which you claimed was not accredited, is in fact accredited, and you are confused about what accreditation means, as ABET accreditation is not what we're talking about, but regional accreditation, which is the standard. Most CS programs are n…

Have you ever applied to a job and been asked if your college was accredited? Have you ever hired someone and stopped to check if their college was accredited?

Why would someone ask? The information is available. And if I see a degree from a university I don't recognize and then discover it's unaccredited, sure, that's a red flag. You can't get employment in my industry without a degree from a regionally accredited university.
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