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(I'm a resident of the Minneapolis suburbs) At this point, from some of my friends in the city, it sounds like there just isn't much oversight at all---they've now been caught on video taking guns from people with valid licenses and now arresting the press. I don't think that we can effectively apply logic when the police system seems so disorganized.
They're highly organized. I think perhaps a better word for their actions is "unjustified," or if you're feeling less charitable, "unjustifiable."
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Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]
#342Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's true that the president's writing here is characteristically vague. But right here in this one tweet he: 1. Introduces the military 2. Says he will assume control 3. Introduces the idea of shooting looters Given that context, it's extremely difficult to concoct an interpretation where he's not saying he'll direct the military to shoot looters. I mean, be serious here. Is your defense really that "The president's…
In the interests of precision, Trump didn't suggest that people try injecting bleach, he suggested that researchers look into injecting disinfectant as a means of treating those with the virus. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52407177 I see I'm being downvoted. Is my account of things incorrect, or is it because I didn't explicitly spell out that it's silly for a president to give brain-dead research advic…
There are many things to criticize him for. But sadly the media is so incredibly lazy that they constantly make up these "scandals" about things he supposedly "meant".
And: you are downvoted because you are not following groupthink. It doesn't matter how factually correct it is.
Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]
#343Earlier quoted context omitted.
The arrested reporter was black, there was another White CB reporter standing nearby that was not arrested. Perhaps it’s all coincidence. https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/29/us/minneapolis-cnn-crew-arres...
The crew headed by the white reporter moved when police asked, they were behind “the line”. The crew that was arrested should not have been but it’s not the same scenario. Are you sure it’s as simple as “this guy was black”? If you aren’t sure it seems like a bad accusation to make.
Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]
#344Earlier quoted context omitted.
It says it on the talk page. When a group of white people and a group with a black person are doing the exact same thing (reporting for cable news), positioned equidistant on opposite sides of a group of police offers and one group gets arrested and the other does not, how is that not racism? It is literally a natural experiment with a single variable (race) changed.
You're assuming that a single variable is being changed, but the far more likely explanation is that, given the high complexity of the situation, there are some other variables that you're not accounting for.
Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]
#345Earlier quoted context omitted.
So you're saying if a police officer walks up to you and tells you do to something and you ask 'Why', that's grounds for them arresting you? Police officers don't have carte blanche to issue orders and force people to comply. We're a nation of laws (supposedly). They were asked to move and they understandably wanted to know where they should move. Then they were arrested.
The grounds to arrest me are me not obeying a direct order, not asking "why". Police officers have the authority to make quick judgement calls in many situations. Obviously we are all human and I could ask why and try to plead my case, but I should also expect that after some time of non-compliancy I may be detained. The felony is called something like "failure to obey a police officer". And it's in the laws of the n…
Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]
#346Earlier quoted context omitted.
> and in the chaos of the moment were arrested What chaos? The scene shown in the video looks really calm, with one protester, several reporters, and a very large number of police standing around apparently doing nothing more than looking intimidating at that moment.
Perhaps chaos isn't the best word. Hightened tension is more appropriate.
Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]
#347China's installing surveillance to spy on citizens. We need surveillance to spy on the government because without it, we are dead ducks.
That would be a pretty good idea. Just need to come up with some way to limit access to only the own citizens for sensitive information. Maybe if only certain trusted people had access, and they would do it as their job, and then they would report their findings, and investigate wrongdoings they found, and then we would give them money to be able to read those reports about government wrongdoings... hm, how could we…
Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]
#348Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, it isn't one of several reasonable interpretations, it's what he quite plainly wrote. What else could 'shooting' possibly refer to, if not the shooting of looters?
Shooting could refer to guns use by the looters. It could refer to self defense of police attacked by looters. It could simply be a word to symbolize violence of any kind. And there are many more interpretations. But discussion about it isn't possible, sorry. I am heavily downvoted for not following groupthink, so I am rate limited when it comes to posting. Oh well. Why aren't people over there more upset about those…
Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]
#349Earlier quoted context omitted.
How does nakedness justify escalating the situation to voilence? "The law is the law" is just an excuse. When people talk about systemic racism they're talking about how the system operates as a whole. As I've commented elsewhere, people need to educate themselves about systemic racism in this country. "So You Want to Talk about Race" by Ijeoma Oluo or "Me and White Supremacy" by Layla Saad are good places to start.
Thanks for the book recommendation. > How does nakedness justify escalating the situation to voilence? "The law is the law" is just an excuse. Are you suggesting every person to decide what's allowed and what's not to the best of their judgment? I agree not all illegal activities are equal. If you use common sense then indeed you should try your best to avoid violence in illegal activities that don't put anyone in da…
> If you disagree that nakedness should be illegal that's a different story and has nothing to do with the police
I do question the logic of nakedness being illegal (in many cases anyway), but I agree that's a different story. :)
> Are you suggesting every person to decide what's allowed and what's not to the best of their judgment?
I'm assuming the case you mentioned at Harvard was this one: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/04/cambridge-police...
So who gets to decide what "reasonable force required to arrest someone who is refusing arrest" is? You really think that repeatedly punching someone for being naked and on drugs is reasonable? Why? Why not just detain him and work on getting him to a safe place? Why does the situation warrant violence at all? Just because it's common in this country does not mean it's justified or ethical.
What if they had shot him, or knelt on his neck and killed him? Would that be "reasonable"? Where, then, is the line?
Right now, cops basically have 100% discretion to decide where that line is. Because they are not actually accountable to anyone but themselves, they just act and draw the line after the fact. The only difference between this and the murder of George Floyd is degree. That's what I meant.
> If you use common sense then indeed you should try your best to avoid violence in illegal activities that don't put anyone in danger
I agree in the abstract, but unfortunately there's a racial element to this "common sense." In the US, black people especially must use a different kind of common sense, and must always remember that any kind of transgression - up to and including "looking suspicious" - is grounds for detention, which can escalate arbitrarily to execution on the spot. So there's really no "avoiding violence" when your mere existence is grounds for murder with no consequences.
And again, just because you can have a "reasonable" expectation of violence from the cops does not mean that violence is justified.
> the police has no choice
Well, they had a choice to not become cops in the first place, to not enter a system that lacks accountability. They have a choice to not enforce unjust laws, especially in situations where no one's in danger. They have a choice to challenge their colleagues to justify their actions, whether that's kneeling on someone's neck or punching them in the stomach. They have a choice between violence and deescalation.
But they choose violence and escalation with alarming frequency in this country. And the system protects them.
Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]
#350Context is huge in cases like this, and I still haven't seen a video showing the beginning of the reporters' confrontation[1]. Does anyone have a link to a video that shows what happened prior to the videos that are being widely publicized? [1] This one shows a bit more at the beginning, making it look like the crew had already been asked at least a few times to move: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvbXWAHad-4