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Re: James Damore and three others end Google suit

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.. so you'd destroy their life instead?

Always assume that what you say could be on the front page of the New York Times.

And also assume anything you say can/will be purposefully taken out of context and twisted in order to create rage click bait to satisfy someone's ideological crusade, or to generate revenue for a dying industry which is incentivized to cater to the lowest common denominator just to survive.

Re: James Damore and three others end Google suit

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I agree, this needs to be fixed also. But teaching isn't my industry. One of the teachers I most learned from was male, he actually sparked my interest in computers because he ran an after school computer club for 20 pence.. which for a poor household such as mine was affordable..

Wait until we try insist on parents hiring male au pairs for their daughters. Especially if they are bald, short, and plump. Then you will see gender bias. :)

What? How is anything you just said relevant?

I think I missed something.

Re: James Damore and three others end Google suit

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At the time, a Googler explained here how they did it without doing either a or b https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14957764

Their description of what recruiters do seems like discrimination. They said that recruiters would deliberately go out of their way to find diversity candidates, instead of treating everyone equal. That matches up with a leaked email where the recruiters were told to stop processing candidates who weren't diversity hires.

Dropbox gives recruiters a diverse bonus equal to the difference between hiring an entry level IC1 and an IC6 (senior staff engineer) [0].

[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22741024

Re: James Damore and three others end Google suit

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He never released anything to the public. Someone who didn't like his political views leaked it to Twitter and the press. If I were him, I would have personally sued the person that leaked the content and continued the fight until they had no money left. They really need to be taught a lesson that it's not okay to do something like this with the intention of destroying a person's life.

.. so you'd destroy their life instead?

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Re: James Damore and three others end Google suit

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It was a joint request to dismiss with no further comment, ie, almost certainly a settlement & a nondisclosure agreement.

Exactly this; I just wonder what the settlement amount was. Seven figures plus certainly. I applaud anyone who sticks it to a mega corp, politics be damned! Edit down voters love mega corps?

I wonder if it's enough for him to retire on, because I don't see how he could work in the industry again.

I sure as hell wouldn't want to go out that way though, even for fuck you money.

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Rogan is aesthetically a bro, that's all this comes down to. If he were more 'soy' and less 'bro', while having the same mostly-liberal opinions, he'd get an entirely different reaction from the elite cultural left.

I'm a European living and working in Europe. I have no idea what a 'bro' is.

A stereotypical bro is someone who says "bro" a lot, like to do chest bumps with their others bros, scream about sports while shotgunning a beer, and talks with his bros about women as sex objects.

Re: James Damore and three others end Google suit

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> The problem is that our community isn’t very friendly or welcoming to women Be precise, how is your community not friendly to women in ways you cannot fix in five minutes? If its obvious, its trivial to list them, if its subtle then its worth doing the exercise. We have to accept they may just not want the gig. Just like most men don't go into pre-school teaching.

> Be precise, how is your community not friendly to women in ways you cannot fix in five minutes? Techbros. Techbros everywhere. It's not what people want to hear, most people would love it if the field and the educational pipeline leading to it had more professional norms all-around. But it's a real thing. (FWIW, I don't think of Damore as part of the problem, indeed his proposals would help a lot if widely adopted.…

That's an instance of a much bigger problem: Fratbros. Fratbros everywhere.

https://www.businessinsider.nl/coronavirus-kushner-impact-te...

>Jared Kushner’s coronavirus ‘impact team’ mocked as the ‘Slim Suit Crowd’ and a ‘frat party’ descended from a UFO

Re: James Damore and three others end Google suit

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Google has fired a few people, liberal and conservative, for being politically insufferable. Multiple people in the news about this on various places in political spectrum. It doesn’t mean they were wrong.

There's been endless discussion about Damore. In particular podcasts you'd think that the firing of a random engineer at Google ranked alongside 9/11 as a defining event in modern history. If I circulated a memo to my co-workers that not only opposed a new policy from management, but did obvious harm to the expressed intent of that policy, I might be fired. It doesn't matter if the memo I circulated would have gotten…

I think that's because a lot of people think that some corporations now have much greater power than governments, especially when it comes to influencing / controlling social thought.

Re: James Damore and three others end Google suit

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post #184

Damore committed the ultimate sin in the corporate world- he caused a huge PR mess. Let's set aside the content of his memo (I personally don't agree with what he said) and just appreciate that he made a mess. As has been said before, if your CEO learns your name for the same reason he has to end his vacation early, you probably should start polishing up your resume.

He never released anything to the public. Someone who didn't like his political views leaked it to Twitter and the press. If I were him, I would have personally sued the person that leaked the content and continued the fight until they had no money left. They really need to be taught a lesson that it's not okay to do something like this with the intention of destroying a person's life.

He failed the green eggs and ham test for written communication at work.

>Would you like this in the press?

>Would you like this at Brand X?

>Like to read it on the stand?

>Like it in the government's hand?

https://www.legalethicsforum.com/blog/2006/12/over_at_white_...

Re: James Damore and three others end Google suit

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post #244

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Not to mention the fact that most programmers used to be women! The problem is that our community isn’t very friendly or welcoming to women. How can we make that cultural change?

> The problem is that our community isn’t very friendly or welcoming to women Be precise, how is your community not friendly to women in ways you cannot fix in five minutes? If its obvious, its trivial to list them, if its subtle then its worth doing the exercise. We have to accept they may just not want the gig. Just like most men don't go into pre-school teaching.

> We have to accept they may just not want the gig.

If this is true it's probably because the community isn't very friendly or welcoming to women like the poster said…

That being said, I don't think this is true. My only evidence is anecdotal, but at a previous company when we tried to recruit at events that weren't primarily male dominated, we got roughly equal percentages of responses from people who identified as female or male.

> Just like most men don't go into pre-school teaching.

Let's assume for a moment these statements are correct: you're not starting from the right place. Why don't most women want the software job? Why don't most men want to teach pre-school? It could be because they've been raised in a society that says that the burden of child rearing should be placed on the women and that pre-school isn't a "manly" profession. Just because people don't want the job doesn't make it less discriminatory against women somehow, it just means the reasons are likely ingrained and harder to fix.

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