I'm not a lawyer, but I suspect this would violate our HIPAA BAA with Zoom. Forwarding this to our legal department...
Zoom iOS app sends data to Facebook even if you don’t have a Facebook account
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Zoom has a web version.
Except Zoom web version doesn't work: the incoming/outgoing audio is garbled (tested with Chrome, they do not support Firefox). This is in part because they were obviously too good for WebRTC native audio and instead gutted ffmpeg and compiled it to WebAssembly (I wish I was kidding but I'm not: https://webrtchacks.com/zoom-avoids-using-webrtc/ ). Moreover, Zoom has a history of RCEs (leaving an active web server aft…
> This is in part because they were obviously too good for WebRTC native audio and instead gutted ffmpeg and compiled it to WebAssembly (I wish I was kidding but I'm not: https://webrtchacks.com/zoom-avoids-using-webrtc/).
Not a Zoom apologist I—I am also deeply creeped out by the fetish for covert data exfiltration in a platform that is so widely used in these quarantine days—but, as far as the tech goes, the story you linked seems to say that they do use WebRTC as of September 2019.
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It's like people forget "the bar" for anti-trust action used to be bundling the default app (web browser) with the OS (windows)
You're forgetting the 90% market share part.
There are horizontal monopolies and vertical monopolies, there is no law saying that a monopoly needs to have 90% market share.
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My opinion about this is that many apps and websites don't have a real product offering. FB, Dropbox, Twitter and others are more of a service offering than a product offering and hence everything is rooted around services and tracking services and, finally, just plain old tracking.
I don't see how is selling a service different then selling a product ? If clients want it => pay for it. The real point that privacy advocates REFUSE to talk about is that FREE service wins over 99% market share over PAID service. So people does not want to pay for Facebook (greed) and Facebook does not want to make people pay (market share first in Silicon Valley mindset). Well money for its thousand engineers has…
So just to give you an example of what would be a product. Spotify is half way between service and product.
What would make it further closer to a product would be (my suggestion):
1. No free version
2. And while you are at it, don't pool views. If you listen only to "Baby" by Bieber and only that once (or many times) in that month, then Bieber et al. gets your full $10. Edit: minus fees.
They still do services, but now they are not "organised around services".
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Insurance companies have incentives to get better data than their competitors, so they can offer less expensive coverage to lower risk people and leave the competing insurance companies with all the higher risk people. Until the competitors do the same thing. Then you're all just offering less expensive coverage to most of your customers and making less money. (That also tends to cause trouble for higher risk patient…
In your proposed scenario, I find hard to believe the insurance companies won't form a cartel, keep the prices on the low risk customers, and price out the high risk customers. Somehow I don't believe the explanation.
Forming a cartel is a violation of antitrust laws and requires no one to form an insurance company that defects from the cartel in order to make higher profits for themselves. Passing a law against the practice requires neither.
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#346Is this article overreacting to something that sounds like a Facebook tracking pixel?
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Zoom has a web version.
How do you use it? I had to join a Zoom meeting and tried to use the webpage first but it tried to make me install a client. After the MacOS local web server debacle I will never do that. I figured the safest thing was to use the iOS app but wasn’t thrilled at the idea. I assume if there actually is a web client the process to access it is extremely user hostile. Is it a hidden link or something? Zoom is obviously an…
Zoom links are of the form zoom.us/j/IDENTIFIER
Change the "/j/" to "/wc/join/" to get the web client.
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#348Vice has one of the worst privacy policies in the entirety of media, so it's kind of a curious thing to see them complaining about. They don't mention they phone Criteo and AdNexus on every page load, and I'm pretty confident I see them using Facebook events too.
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Apple doesn't have >90% market share for iOS app stores? Who is their competition? You can't run an Android app on iOS. There are no iOS apps on Amazon or Google Play. That makes it a separate market.
100% market share of your own market doesn't really count.
Saying "your own market" doesn't mean anything. Every monopolist has 100% of their own market. On the other hand, Clorox has 100% of the "Clorox bleach" market.
The question is whether your products and your supposed competitor's products are really the same market. In other words, are your customers the same individuals? Are the products substitutes for one another?
For Clorox bleach and other bleach they are. All bleach is the same, they're perfect substitutes, if the store is out of Clorox bleach and you buy some other bleach you'll never even know the difference.
For iOS app stores and Android app stores, they're completely different markets. The customers for iOS apps are people with iOS devices and the customers for Android apps are people with Android devices -- almost completely disjoint sets of people. If the iOS app store is down, it's infeasible for the average user to get an app from Google Play instead -- they would have to spend hundreds of dollars to buy an Android phone, then replace all of their other apps, just to substitute one app. It would be like saying AT&T didn't have a monopoly in 1970 because you could change carriers by moving to Canada. They're completely different markets.
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Terrible take. They use it to apply many security and privacy policies! Just not the one we're talking about now. Difficult to figure out how to actually do this, especially so without a crazy UX. They should figure out the default apps thing. Though I don't know what you'd need for SMS, there's not much system integration there besides Siri (which I think supports plugins) and maybe sms: links?
> They use it to apply many security and privacy policies! Have you read the guidelines? Many words requiring you to use and not discourage users from using Apple's in-app purchasing system (which they get a large cut of), prohibiting you from trying to compete with the App Store or similar, prohibiting app-alternatives they don't control (like remote desktop into a cloud server), requiring "Sign in with Apple" if yo…
Interesting. That clearly violates GDPR and CCPA if it extended to all digital options rather than just websites.